The Turbo Revolution is Upon Us, Projections Say One-Fifth of Vehicles Sold to be Turbocharged by 2015

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[V10Mercury]

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Jim Summers used to always say here at ProCharger "we are living in a turbo world"

[artdodge]

Re: The Turbo Revolution is Upon Us, Projections Say One-Fifth of Vehicles Sold to be Turbocharged b

Yeah yeah yeah, they made that same predection over 30 years ago and it still hasn't happened . . .

[oldsman496]

Re: The Turbo Revolution is Upon Us, Projections Say One-Fifth of Vehicles Sold to be Turbocharged b

Small displacement turbo diesels are coming....multifueled DI.

[Brian Lohnes]

Re: The Turbo Revolution is Upon Us, Projections Say One-Fifth of Vehicles Sold to be Turbocharged b

Yeah yeah yeah, they made that same predection over 30 years ago and it still hasn't happened . . .

Probably about the same time they were declaring that turbos would NEVER work in drag racing.

[realsteelfreak]

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Yeah yeah yeah, they made that same predection over 30 years ago and it still hasn't happened . . .

Its not that the turbos or the designs wasnt good back in the day, but intercoolers wasnt as big a part of it as it is now, also oils, and people that bought them need to understand that also.
Wouldnt Dodge like to have their turbo cars of yesterday now? With todays oils and intercoolers.
Not that Pontiac was a powerhouse with the turbo 301 , but many didnt live with a long life due to the oil getting fried.

[IRONHEAD]

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will not happen ,,
warranty nightmare.. until they can make turbo's that go 100k without leaking oil into the exhaust. and killing the o2 sensors and cat.
remember , those that say car makers quality sucked, and the companies that are changing that thinking, are not gonna buy into a powertrain system that will cause reliability issues and cars in the shop..
why you think they stopped use'n them the first time..
it wasn't because of intercoolers..
Volvo and v.w. never really stopped but they also have the biggest warranty issues with their turbo'd models..
if they do try this again, you can bet you @$$ the ecu with record any tuning changes and when, it was done.
so people that tune it to inches of it's life then it breaks and reflashes it before tow'n it to the dealer for warranty work..
turbo's are not the answer, cause we really don't need the 225hp a n/a 4 banger makes now..
if turbo's show up in cars again it'll be short lived. or option model..with a shorter warranty,
I see smaller powertrains and less weight as the answer, reliability is the name of the game from 2008 on out. and turbo's are not up to that task yet

[IRONHEAD]

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Ummm...

Subaru and DSM have been doing it for years... and going 100k or more without issues. I think you may want to think about warming up to the idea because the engines are going to have to get smaller to meet CARB and still make any power. 225 hp 4 banger NA we make now? Where? I'd rather a 225 turbo'd four tuned to make some stop light torque than something making 225 at 7,500 for a 3,000 pound mom buggy... althought I still can't think of a 225 hp 4cyl N/A being offered in high volume family cars.

Weight going down.. HHAHAHAHAHA. OMG. HAHAHAHAHA> Have you seen the weight of the modern "pony car" ?

It'd sure be nice to get through a thread without a personal attack in it.

no personal attack.. but thats the type of thing that is happening now with the turbo oil burners,,

and the u r a bus has not been doing turbo's all that lone.. saab has..
and u r a bus doesn't sell all that many turbo'd cars.. and whats the warranty on a subaru?
the big three that no one forgets any miss q's will not chance reliability for that little bit of power..
6 speed auto's and gearing make up for small cid lack of torque.


oh and DSM wow they're selling cars still..

[Brian Lohnes]

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"Will not happen" :D

It is happening.

Ford will have EcoBoost available on 90% of their models in the coming years. The V6 Turbo F150 has been shown to the press and will make 365hp out the door.

GM is developing an engine to compete directly with the EcoBoost engines. The 2.0L motor they have been testing will find it's way here but is generally intended for the Chinese market because of taxation laws that drive the price of larger engines up.

Chrysler is also rapidly moving toward smaller displacement turbo engines due to Fiat. They are bringing a 1.4L turbo engine to market that makes 170hp for their smaller cars.

Basing you opinion on the quality of mass produced turbocharged OEM vehicles from decades ago is about as apropos as comparing the Saturn V rocket to the Space Shuttle.

Oh yeah, other than the Honda S2000's 237hp naturally aspirated four banger, which measures out to 2-liters and change, I am dying to know where the other "225hp" four cylinder engines are.

Brian

[IRONHEAD]

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yes this is a site of guys that break stuff then back it off..
new car manufactures are not us, they are in biz and cars that break down will not be a big push
the g.m. turbo 3.8 great powerfull set up. not so great on the "ya the cars in the shop , again"
I don't remember see'n any mid 80's Subaru's with turbos flat 4's with the spare on top, saw tons of those..
was the brat a turbo?
seals have come along way, drivers habits have not.. most turbo's died because of driver habits.. either the "ride it hard and put it away wet" meaning they don't let the car idle so the oil can cool the turbo.
not use'n the correct oil ,and changing it alot. and in some cars priming the oil system(unhooking the coil and cranking) before it(engine) fires..
the supercharged 3800 is not a exhaust pressurized forced induction and is totally different animal(no idea why you added it into this but)
don't get me wrong, I'd love it if they can do it.. but , there is no way it'll happen if it causes engine reliability issues.
not after how long it's taken for the American car co. to get this far..
to meet c.a.f.e. I'd rather they build a car without 90% of the garbage they stuff in them..
want 5mpg more milage today. loose the wide tires on even the most mundane sedan
all the cars that got killer milage had narrow or normal width tires..
the everyday persons car doesn't need tires as wide as the gatorbacks on my old gta..
the ones on my HHR car as wide as the ones on my gta wheels I have for my montySS.
why.. yes it look good but for the normal car owner that's looking for mpg they are a total waste, and very costly to replace (220 a pop)

[IRONHEAD]

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"Will not happen" :D

It is happening.

Ford will have EcoBoost available on 90% of their models in the coming years. The V6 Turbo F150 has been shown to the press and will make 365hp out the door.

GM is developing an engine to compete directly with the EcoBoost engines. The 2.0L motor they have been testing will find it's way here but is generally intended for the Chinese market because of taxation laws that drive the price of larger engines up.

Chrysler is also rapidly moving toward smaller displacement turbo engines due to Fiat. They are bringing a 1.4L turbo engine to market that makes 170hp for their smaller cars.

Basing you opinion on the quality of mass produced turbocharged OEM vehicles from decades ago is about as apropos as comparing the Saturn V rocket to the Space Shuttle.

Oh yeah, other than the Honda S2000's 237hp naturally aspirated four banger, which measures out to 2-liters and change, I am dying to know where the other "225hp" four cylinder engines are.

Brian

yes Brian "available" and are going to be issues with reliability because people don't know how to maintain them correctly. most don't even open the owners manual..
FIAT HASN'T HAD TO DEAL WIT WARRANTIES AMERICANS ARE USED TO .
ONLY PLACE TURBO'S GO THE DISTANCE IS TRUCKS AND ONLY IN THE ONES THAT ARE RUN, THE WORST THING U CAN DO TO AN OIL BURNER IS SHUT IT OFF..
and compairing the older turbos to today's is needed because the habits of drivers haven't changed, no ones gonna idle the engine to cool the turbo off after driving on the highway unless the ecu does it for them..
most shops will not prime the oil system if the turbo is oiled through the engine oil..
and they will die the same way they've always have, user error/habits and lack of correct Maintance

[dieselgeek]

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Turbos don't last? um, whatever

(looks at truck with 360,000 miles on the ticker, has been turned up to 600+ ft-lbs at the wheels for 10+ years, COMPLETELY STOCK TURBO)


Don't get your information from service techs. They're replacing turbos on cars that were turned up, then turned back down. When someone can add 90hp by turning a screwdriver, they ALWAYS turn it too far.

[SpiderGearsMan]

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maybe the chinese will build the turbos better

[IRONHEAD]

Re: The Turbo Revolution is Upon Us, Projections Say One-Fifth of Vehicles Sold to be Turbocharged b

Turbos don't last? um, whatever

(looks at truck with 360,000 miles on the ticker, has been turned up to 600+ ft-lbs at the wheels for 10+ years, COMPLETELY STOCK TURBO)


Don't get your information from service techs. They're replacing turbos on cars that were turned up, then turned back down. When someone can add 90hp by turning a screwdriver, they ALWAYS turn it too far.

guess you'd have to read the post to see I said trucks last, and they do for 2 reasons, always running and the low rpm.. the truck isn't in the turbo all that much unless loaded or hyway..
but the king has spoken,

might want to become a truck tech at ford or mopar, before you hail the turbo.

tho the nailery might not like the grease under fingernails

[dieselgeek]

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guess you'd have to read the post to see I said trucks last, and they do for 2 reasons, always running and the low rpm..

Yep, I read it, and it's wrong. The Dodge/Cummins trucks will run from 6-10psi when *empty* cruising down the highway. Low RPM? the turbo isn't connected to the crankshaft - it is completely unrelated to engine RPM. At 900-1600 degrees EGT, the Holset in my truck is getting it's ass worked off, all the time.

but the king has spoken,

might want to become a truck tech at ford or mopar, before you hail the turbo.

tho the nailery might not like the grease under fingernails

Nope, can't say that I want to be a tech. Spidey doesn't make it sound too appealing.