Question of the Day: Do You Care About Modern Tuner Muscle Cars?

[squirrel]

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i couldnt care less about these things, and i get sick of hearing about the same 5-6 different cars on every car show too :

I couldn't care less about them, and I don't watch shows where they appear, so that doesn't bother me.

And it's not likely that they're going to be rare in the future, because unlike the first round of tuner muscle cars 40 years ago, these ones get babied.

[horsewidower]

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Meh...

[tedly]

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Meh...

:D Best post yet!

[SpiderGearsMan]

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those fords and chrysler ringer cars don't belong in stock
good thing they don't race as well as the old cars , but they do get a nice soft index and the majority of the racers HATE THEM

[Joe Grippo]

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those fords and chrysler ringer cars don't belong in stock
good thing they don't race as well as the old cars , but they do get a nice soft index and the majority of the racers HATE THEM

I agree but I'd still love to have one to go bomb the index just to see what NHRA would do with the factor.
I think they should be in an A/FX class or at least Super Stock.

[38P]

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I, of course, reflexively disagree. If the NHRA was serious about racing showroom-stock, street-legal cars that are widely-available to everyone, then perhaps banning the factory racers from Ford and Fiat might have a tiny sliver of logic.

But there's nothing really "stock" left about a stock class car anymore (one look at a "stock" cam was enough to convince me). And without the "new blood" from Ford and Maria Mopar, the NHRA stock class would arguably be in increasing danger of becoming an irrelevant nostalgia circuit.

Considering how much it costs for a professionally-built, nationally competitive stock-class car, these factory racers are a good thing. And getting the OEMs to pay attention to anything but carbon-fiber "pro" racing is a GREAT thing.

You can be sure that if GMPP was seriously playing the factory stock racer game, the GM sycophants would probably be singing a different tune. However, just as with Amsoil Engine Masters, the GM camp always wants the rules to protect them. That's sad.

[Joe Grippo]

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Agreed. Stock is not stock anymore hasn't been for a long time. Those new cars are good for the class as fresh sheet metal but they need the proper horsepower factor. The NHRA AHFs will do it's job...eventually. That's why (if I had the financial fortitude) I would bomb the qualifying sheets incrementally and trigger the re-factoring of those combo's until they were brought into line or more likely factored out of Stock and into Super Stock only.

I still think an A,B,C/FX stock class would be cool. Let the new stuff battle it out amongst themselves will preserving the indexes for the rest of the Stocker world.

[38P]

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FX would be okay if it didn't devolve into another ridiculous "pro" class. The original FX spawed the funny car (which was OK when the floppers actually looked like production cars. It "jumped the shark" about the time of the down-sized '70 Chargers and went over the cliff with that Schumacher/Buttera Wonderbread Vega). Although I support the OEMs being involved in AA/FC and PS, both classes are ridiculously irrelevant to anything happening on the streets.

The Challenger and Cobra Jet Mustangs, however, are very similar to cars that COULD be run on the streets (except for emissions/fuel economy regulations). I'd hate for that to get lost through reclassification.

[Brian Lohnes]

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Grouping the cars together would make them immensly more popular in my estimation.

Assuming that GM gets off their ass and throws a Camaro drag pacakage into the mix, it would be far cooler to see that car put up the dukes against the modern Cobra Jet and Challenger Drag Pack machines. As cool as the Cobra Jets are, (and I'm anxiously waiting to get up close and personal with a 2012) a little is lost when one lines up next to a '69 Corvette or Chevelle. Seeing them beat on each other, a la the the Mopar Hemi Challenge events would be greatness and would be shades of the early pro stock days.

Brian

[Joe Grippo]

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My thoughts exactly and it would not "obsolete" some of the upper-class existing stockers that have had their respective combos wrung-out over the last 30-40 years. A new blown AA/S or /SA CJ could be in the 9.20's at some point...Your not gonna compete at that level even with the nastiest BB stocker Camaro, Corvette, old Hemi or Shelby.

Let'em eat.....

[Bamfster]

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... And then someone from the middle east will bring a "tuner" Camry/Altima/Accord into the mix .....

[38P]

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My thoughts exactly and it would not "obsolete" some of the upper-class existing stockers that have had their respective combos wrung-out over the last 30-40 years. A new blown AA/S or /SA CJ could be in the 9.20's at some point...Your not gonna compete at that level even with the nastiest BB stocker Camaro, Corvette, old Hemi or Shelby.

Let'em eat.....

Frankly, I love it when a new CJ Mustang whips an "obsolete" muscle car. . . .

Why not just make it like H.S. football and add another "A" (i.e. AAA/s; AAA/SA)? That way the basic "stock"class rules would apply and the antique Chevys could continue to race amongst themselves in class.

If these cars are segregated outside of Stock and Super Stock, it won't be long until they're just another boring, irrelevant, hyper-expensive "pro stock" class. Pro Stock "lost it" when they let Jenkins run that tube-frame Vega and they factored the 2G Hemis to death. That same level of unnecessary escalation could occur again.

I find it hard to believe that a majority of folks in the 18-30 demographic relate more to a piece of 45-year old muscle car "unobtainium" than to something hot that's sold today. But if that's the case, let's bring back the gassers and altereds (they put on a lot better show than most of the current "pro" stuff).

[Joe Grippo]

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Frankly, I love it when a new CJ Mustang whips an "obsolete" muscle car. . . .

Why not just make it like H.S. football and add another "A" (i.e. AAA/s; AAA/SA)?  That way the basic "stock"class rules would apply and the antique Chevys could continue to race amongst themselves in class.

If these cars are segregated outside of Stock and Super Stock, it won't be long until they're just another boring, irrelevant, hyper-expensive "pro stock" class.

As a diehard Ford Guy I love it when a CJ pisses of the Class Racing Illuminati also...

If I was Drag Racing Czar I would add the aforementioned FX classes into Stock Eliminator, no segregation at all...
They would enjoy separate indexes so they run the eliminator normally but they can pummel each other in class eliminations and heads up situations when they pop up on the ladder. The older stuff can still dominate the traditional classes and the new stuff can showcase their potential with out threat of re-factoring themselves into oblivion.

And I think your gonna need few more A's for your H.S. Football analogy when these things are in the 8's in the coming years.