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  • Not a Skid Factory but continuing the story...

    Tim
    Melbourne Australia

    65 Hardtop Impala, 70 GTS Monaro, 93 "80" Landcruiser

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    • car review
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      • Day one

        Tim
        Melbourne Australia

        65 Hardtop Impala, 70 GTS Monaro, 93 "80" Landcruiser

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        • Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
          car review
          That's a very good mate of mine's Patrol, has run 13secs down the 1320. Part of the reason for it's problems is no one in Australia knows much about the transmission, even truck transmission specialists get funny because it's different enough to most Allison autos to make life hard. It's actually funny how little people know about the drivetrain here, when Al built it everyone was doubting alot of what he was saying, despite most/all of them knowing what Al has done in the past and how switched on he is. There were also alot of people doubting the costs he was stating,
          He, Al, is still tossing up between another Duramax, a Cummins 6bt or similar out of a Ram or the 5.0 Cummins used in the Nissan Titan XD for his next Patrol build. I tried to convince him to do a Land Cruiser but he's no a fan of Land Cruisers.

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          • Originally posted by irsa76 View Post

            That's a very good mate of mine's Patrol, has run 13secs down the 1320. Part of the reason for it's problems is no one in Australia knows much about the transmission, even truck transmission specialists get funny because it's different enough to most Allison autos to make life hard. It's actually funny how little people know about the drivetrain here, when Al built it everyone was doubting alot of what he was saying, despite most/all of them knowing what Al has done in the past and how switched on he is. There were also alot of people doubting the costs he was stating,
            He, Al, is still tossing up between another Duramax, a Cummins 6bt or similar out of a Ram or the 5.0 Cummins used in the Nissan Titan XD for his next Patrol build. I tried to convince him to do a Land Cruiser but he's no a fan of Land Cruisers.
            when Woody went on his outdoor adventure, there's a '40 that's powered by a 6.2 diesel. I came very close to using a 6.5 (same motor) in my '40.

            There are few diesels that retrofit well. Either they don't have the power without turning up the wick (and losing reliability), or they are large by huge. To me - the Patrol build surprises me that it 'fits' under the hood. Those are tall motors. The 6 cyl Cummins can fit better but it's a long motor. But there it is - it fits but doesn't have the power of a gas motor; or it's huge and fitting is a nightmare. With that said, I would have used the GM transfer case then swapped sides with the pumpkin like I did to my '40's front differential (I literally pulled the tubes and swapped sides with them - I used a ford 3/4 ton axle so it was left side drop rather then right side like the '40s come stock).
            Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; October 22, 2019, 07:27 AM.
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            • One thing for certain... there is one diesel swap - Cummins either 4BT or the 6V, they are plentiful, cheap(ish), and a really good motor. The rest are pretty much using what they have available* because they can't or won't afford a different motor. Duramax is different enough through the years that it's not a simple swap - not to mention they are tall - very tall with the turbo on top so it simply doesn't easily fit. No one does Fords because while GM had a terrible reputation with the 5.7, they were saved by the 6.2 in the Hummvee. Ford's 6.7 then the head bolt issue with the 7.3s have everyone scared of them. Ironic because the 7.3 isn't a terrible motor but they were already behind the 8 ball, then you add Dodge trucks are not known for quality (thus getting a lot of raw, swap motors out there), and Ford is out.

              I like the Nissan diesel Al put in his other Patrol (he really needs to stop selling them when they're done), I agree Toyota motors have wayyyy too many issues to be a viable contender. The TD5 and 300tdi are reasonable motors, but not terribly numerous and once you're at 250/400 hp/tq that's the end of the mods. VW TDI motors are great in Samurais but once you get out of the VW motor, the Audi motors/Merc motors are wayyy too complex for too little of a return (they're fuel hogs too)... I still laugh about the guy who did a Merc OM617 swap in his Scout then immediately pulled it out when he realized he was getting worse fuel economy then he had with the LS motor that was in it before (but at least it cut his hp 75%? ;) )

              and with all that said, I think diesels are a great swap for overland vehicles and vehicles you daily - but if you want 400 plus hp use an LS, my dad used to build one-car-to-rule-them-all, and they were terrible at everything. To me, trying to drag race a diesel is the same thing. It's for pulling and economy, once you lose pulling and economy, you're left with a very heavy motor

              *I'm in this group with 6.5TD in my Suburban - I won't swap because it makes no sense to do so, I don't need 1000 hp in my overland, I need a million mile motor - of which, in their stock form, the 6.5 is
              Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; October 22, 2019, 02:57 PM.
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              • Kingswood is on the B-Body chassis - however, no shading, he was close
                Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; October 22, 2019, 06:01 PM.
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                • You called it a day yet SBG? this will get dreaming about beating Aussies



                  Tim
                  Melbourne Australia

                  65 Hardtop Impala, 70 GTS Monaro, 93 "80" Landcruiser

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                  • Originally posted by 65RHDEER View Post
                    You called it a day yet SBG? this will get dreaming about beating Aussies


                    this makes me think "why bother?"


                    I could put a LS 427 in the Buick.... I love tech, but in the end of the day whether it's bashing through snow in the wilderness or causing earthquakes with a 427 cubic inches always has my heart..... I think SEMA may help me decide - I love winning elegant, but let's not forget Bennie got beat by a girl with two turbos and an LS..... for less money too....
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                    • Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                      • More Iron Lion

                        Tim
                        Melbourne Australia

                        65 Hardtop Impala, 70 GTS Monaro, 93 "80" Landcruiser

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                        • It's fun watching people off-shore use US spec stuff. The 700R4 (who told him turbo 700?) - the first generation had oiling problems to 4th gear, the later case had a 1/8" hole to solve it.... GM installed 1/8" hole he does touch on what I really hate about GM. It seems they use their customers as beta testers - so the 1st gen, 1st year 1st of anything is garbage - then when they solve it their reputation is crap because of it but the product is now pretty good....
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                          • Isn't it a TH700r4, I think that's where the "Turbo" part comes from. They get called Turbo 700's a bit around here.
                            Tim
                            Melbourne Australia

                            65 Hardtop Impala, 70 GTS Monaro, 93 "80" Landcruiser

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                            • Originally posted by 65RHDEER View Post
                              Isn't it a TH700r4, I think that's where the "Turbo" part comes from. They get called Turbo 700's a bit around here.
                              I dunno down there, but 700r4 and 200r4 replaced the TH200 and TH350. The TH400 got replaced around 1990 with the 4L80e... to add to the confusion, the TH400 was called the 3L80 from 88-90
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                              • Here is what Wikipedia shows for TH transmissions



                                Yep I think it is just a case of us and them. So if your ever here call it a Turbo 700 and we'll all know your talking about the overdrive hydraulic GM transmission.

                                But if your talking the electronic one call it a 4L60E and we'll know what your talking about because that's what we call them!
                                Last edited by 65RHDEER; October 31, 2019, 04:48 AM.
                                Tim
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