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Face it, a lot of people just don't like much of anything Ford. They never will. You can't convince them. You can't make them. Mopar guys ENJOY the fact we have an exclusive little club where things don't cost as much, take longer to wear out, break less often and much of the time go faster. We don't brag a lot either.
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heh...that's gotta be the irony quote of the day!Originally posted by RockJustRock View Post
Chevy stuff doesn't cost much, mopar stuff is through the roof (I'm talking about stuff for older Chevys and Mopars, of course)
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Oh were it that simple.Originally posted by RockJustRock View Post
Each of the "big three" have had their strengths. . . and weaknesses.
Ford absolutely dominated hot rodding and grassroots racing during the Flathead era (pre-mid '50s). There are still more Ford-bodied pre-'49 rods than any other make.
GM began its rule of grassroots performance and blue-collar racing in the OHV era (first Olds and Cadillac, then Chevrolet, with a side of BOP). Good, cheap engines, factory-engineered, affordable performance parts (read Zora's memo), and 50% market share in the '60s and '70s will do that . . . .
Chrysler developed most of the stuff that has dominated much of professional drag racing for 50+ years. But the cheaper BBC and SBC each became much more popular in the sportsman ranks.
GM popularized the intermediate "muscle car" while Ford invented the pony car (outselling muscle cars by as much as 4:1 in some years) , , , The pony car has become the backbone of Detroit 3 performance over the past thirty-five years, and Ford has sold something like 4 million more of them than their nearest competitor over the past five and a half decades .
Ford dominated professional motorsports (outside of drag racing) for much of the ''60s but didn't often follow through on the street until ex-GM's Bunkie Knudsen briefly stopped by.
Chevrolet leveraged its price, supply, and parts advantages in the '70s to dominate the grassroots and much of American motorsports, Chrysler fell into hard times and Ford myopically shrugged.
The mid-80s 5.0 Mustang revived much of grassroots performance from a decade-long malaise, yet Ford's hubris let GM continue to dominate the aftermarket. Chevy also has benefited from building the only mass-produced two-seat American sports car.
Iacocca basically took MOPAR out of the grassroots performance game for two decades by abandoning RWD . . . It took the Germans to get MOPAR back on track in the mid-2000s
Now, it's generally cheaper to buy an old Ford. But it's still cheaper to build a Chevy. MOPARs can still sometimes be cheap to buy, but are generally more expensive to build.
Cheapness, technical conservatism, and OEM strategic failure have yielded the modified field to GM's LS, despite its antediluvian architecture, hideous appearance, and lower "power density." . Ford and Chrysler sell lots of stock pony cars, but that hasn't translated into major gains in hot rodding market share. Nor is it likely to do so considering the 500,000+ cheap GM V8s hitting the salvages every year, and the continued price and selection dominance of GM in the crate engine market.
Grassroots hot rodding is getting older and grayer. Government regulation, economics, changing youth interests, and dwindling supplies of affordable, build-able RWD "cores" -- and yes, more than a little prejudice against "late models" -- have all hurt the sport. Most youngsters are no longer exposed to the cultural influences which bred earlier generations of grassroots hot rodders and racers. They aren't developing the hands-on skills or technical know-how. Increasingly "checkbook" do-it-for-me "rodding" and race car building by specialists are becoming the norm.Last edited by Gateclyve Photographic; November 21, 2018, 01:33 PM.Comment
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But no matter what you say or HOW MUCH you say it most people just don't like Fords. Chevy is populous, MoPar is elite, Ford is just odd. They had a good cheap package for pretty much anything in the Fox and sold the closest thing to a Hot Rod short block in the 5.0 and screwed it up. On paper the Coyote should dominate, but it can't seem to like an LS hot rodded or a Gen III factory modified does. Technically Ford isn't doing that much wrong, they just can't seem to reach the enthusiasts. Maybe it is the Fake Media. All those appealing Ford Racing parts in the catalog but HRM never runs a cover story on how easy and smart it would be to go fast by bolting on Ford Racing parts. Mustang, Camaro and Challenger packages running neck and neck and only one has overhead cams and 32 valves. The Dodge drops the BIG ONE with a Demon with it's front wheels in the air. At least Shelbys kinda rule at Barrett Jackson. Cherish THAT I guess....
Maybe if they didn't go and piss off John Force?My hobby is needing a hobby.Comment
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To me all "new car" speed stuff is overpriced. So the premium on things to fit a Mopar isn't as steep. A power adder kit is pretty much a power adder kit. Headers is headers. I feel like the LS thing is more of a honeymoon than the old small block was. We will see.Originally posted by squirrel View PostMy hobby is needing a hobby.Comment
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If ford started selling control packs for $500 you would see more coyote swaps. Or redesign the wiring harness so it can be cut down into a stand alone.
I only buy older cars (10 -20 years) and I dont even look a mopar the wiring is junk.Comment
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It ought to be more like about $250 to really start a JY power war. Ford has been its own worst enemy when it comes to supplying the parts grassroots rodders and racers need at prices they can pay.Originally posted by Russell View Post
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I really don't think ford cares about grassroots. Maybe they don't see the connection to new car sells (the only thing they care about)Originally posted by Gateclyve Photographic View Post
Dodge on the other hand has $80k hellcats in roadkill shows, what percentage of roadkill fans do you can afford a hellcat? Maybe they buy the lesser models?
I would love to have a coyote in my fox but $1500 for a control pack and $600 for a bellhousing to bolt to my t5 that more than likely will not hold up is not going to happen. I will just get a turbo for the push rod motor, when money and the State of NC stops looking under the hood (35 years old, 2022!)Comment
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Agree, I’m a die hard Chevy fan and hopefully they will kick some butt next year! Look at it this way, wasn’t a Toyota with Joe Gibbs winning!!!Originally posted by Monster View Post
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Okay, I guess I lied in that other thread . . .
But the OZ Bangshifters (if there are any left) didn't post this awesome V8 Supercars championship news (maybe the on-going celebration is impeding them) . . .. "Last of the V8" Falcons goes out with a Championship courtesy of the Penske-Ford Performance alliance (anyone sensing a pattern here?)
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Why yes, yes I do ... thank you for pointing it out to us.Originally posted by Gateclyve Photographic View Post
This isn’t quite the bang that Ford was hoping the last ever GT Falcon series would go out on. Ford has been forced to stop delivering cars — and called back more than 300 already in customer hands — because of a problem with the handbuilt supercharged V8.
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Oh come on Spider Gears Man II . . a link to a SEPTEMBER 16, 2014, story about a voluntary recall for a grommet that causes a "loud noise similar to a marble on a roulette wheel." I'd think the Holden camp has better sauce that that!
If we're visiting the grooveyard of recalls, let's go for one that really was a serious problem . . . .Comment
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I wonder ... is that meant as a compliment or an insult ?Originally posted by Gateclyve Photographic View Post
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No insult. Spidey was definitely a laconic pro-GM partisan who loved brand wars (and old-school NASCAR).Comment
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