While we are discussing it, I will note that research shows, that those exhibiting this type of unacceptable behavior get angry when their motives, intentions, strategy and tactics are revealed to the general public and usually lash out. Just sayin' ....
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Originally posted by Monster View PostWhile we are discussing it, I will note that research shows, that those exhibiting this type of unacceptable behavior get angry when their motives, intentions, strategy and tactics are revealed to the general public and usually lash out. Just sayin' ....
I'm not. But I believe the guy that posted the f/u to the bowtie bastards. might be.
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Originally posted by Red_Kitty View PostClosest thing today - Charger R/T Scat Pack?
$37k buys 485hp, a mid-12s 1/4 mile and 175mph+, and a rental car interior, for about the average price of a new vehicle in 2018.
Performance cars have been inflating in price like college tuition . . . far outstripping the CPI According to the Morgan Stanley Inflation calculator, What cost $3,500 in 1968 would cost $25,071.54 in 2017. What cost $5,000 in 1968 would cost $35,816.48 in 2017. Note that the '68 Road Runner started at around $2,900 MSRP. $5,000 back then would score a real street sweeper.
Sure, they're quicker and faster now . . . and longer-lasting and safer . . . and require a lot less futzing around . . . But all that costs a lot more in constant dollars. No wonder most "muscle car" buyers are old folks nowadays.
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Originally posted by Gateclyve Photographic View Post
The base '19 Charger has an MSRP of ~$29,000 (transaction prices tend to be substantially lower). There's no way it costs nine-grand more to build a V8. BTW, my last new V8 automobile cost $10,000 less than the Scat Pack . . . that's a whale of a lot of inflation in a little more than half a decade . . . .
Performance cars have been inflating in price like college tuition . . . far outstripping the CPI According to the Morgan Stanley Inflation calculator, What cost $3,500 in 1968 would cost $25,071.54 in 2017. What cost $5,000 in 1968 would cost $35,816.48 in 2017. Note that the '68 Road Runner started at around $2,900 MSRP. $5,000 back then would score a real street sweeper.
Sure, they're quicker and faster now . . . and longer-lasting and safer . . . and require a lot less futzing around . . . But all that costs a lot more in constant dollars. No wonder most "muscle car" buyers are old folks nowadays.
it has to go through a hole other set of emission testing/ crash testing, ride and drive r&d . stocking of the parts, calologing of parts, engineering of all those parts.
the gas guz fee. and the little extra optons that come with that v8 package. All the safety nanny software settings are different. someone had to be paid to rewrite that.
Ever try to put a v8 in a lesser v6 car? you need the whole donor car, not just the v8 in late model cars. those days of just get a v8 the mounts, and dump it is left the building decades ago.
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The parts are different, but they're not that much more expensive. They charge what the market will bear, and it will bear quite a bit.
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Originally posted by squirrel View PostThe parts are different, but they're not that much more expensive. They charge what the market will bear, and it will bear quite a bit.
it isn't the 60's anymore they can't just drop a v8 in and the reg's go ok.
The cost is much more than just the parts swap.
They don't get to use the crash testing for that v6 car, they have to go through the whole thing again. this type stuff isn't cheap. it be like paying for a new roof on your shop twice. it cost double of doing it once.Last edited by Eric; December 17, 2018, 08:42 PM.
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it cost me 20k to build the shop (in 1993), it only cost 1500 to put a new roof on it last year.
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I just like pointing out that analogies usually don't work....
But still, they can get a lot more money for the performance cars, and it doesn't cost them much more to make them. Same thing with luxury cars. I recall reading a quote from about 50 years ago that it cost $300 more to build a Cadillac than to build a Chevy, but they could get $3000 more for the Caddy. (I think a Chevy cost about $3000 at the time)
It seems kind of strange that you're trying to defend the high price of cars that we all wish would be a lot cheaper.
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Originally posted by squirrel View PostI just like pointing out that analogies usually don't work....
But still, they can get a lot more money for the performance cars, and it doesn't cost them much more to make them. Same thing with luxury cars. I recall reading a quote from about 50 years ago that it cost $300 more to build a Cadillac than to build a Chevy, but they could get $3000 more for the Caddy. (I think a Chevy cost about $3000 at the time)
It seems kind of strange that you're trying to defend the high price of cars that we all wish would be a lot cheaper.
I'm the first one that love nothing more than the basic body and the v8 options and not much else, if it doesn't make it faster and handle better. it isn't needed ,that includes all the nanny crap, that saves an unskilled drivers butt.
But I also acknowledge I am a minority when it comes to what the customers want and by that I mean real buyers, not people that claim they'd open wallet but if it was ever offered would be awol.Last edited by Eric; December 18, 2018, 08:16 AM.
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There's some truth to both sides. Regulatory compliance costs money. Those costs have to be spread out over the number of units sold. Under the soft truck CAFE standards, it's easier to pump up the numbers to spread out costs over more units without adversely impacting profits (for a variety of reasons, trucks seem to be simpler and cheaper to build anyhow) .
But the costs are in no way proportionate to how they're ripping off the traditional performance customers nowadays. They know if they can only sell a few thousand units, they're going to: (a) keep the spread of prices of the non-V8s they have to sell wide enough from the V8s to discourage demand (i.e. force marginal customers to settle for less) and (b) rip as much cash as humanly possible out of the V8 diehards.
This kind of market distortion happens every time government regulations interfere with free markets. If we had anything approaching a free market, V8 prices would be more competitive.
They'll get my V8s when they pry them from my cold dead hands . . .
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why blame it on gov regulations? It's mostly buyers expectations. Adjusted for inflation, today's cheapest crapboxes cost the same as they did 50 years ago, and they meet all current gov regulations.
We can afford more now, we want more, and we'll pay for it. And the carmakers have figured it out.
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