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Originally posted by RockJustRock View PostI think THIS is THE muscle car era forum. We're just too damn nice to exclude anything pre 64 or designed to turn corners. We're too damn stubborn to let the muscle car era be written off as dead in the 80s or let it die in the future.
May I take this moment to whine about abuse of the phrase "muscle car". It seems youngsters have decided to limit it to mid-size sedans and expand it to include anything with even a two barrel single exhaust V8. Muscle car is BIG BLOCK anything CAR. The more often used phrase in the day was Supercar before the Euros hijacked it to describe their exotic two seaters. Anything small block was a Junior Supercar, yes even a Boss, Z, T/A or AAR.
What each era adjudges to be quick and fast is, relatively speaking, quick and fast, regardless of how many doors or cylinders or aspiration type or cubic inches.
If the '60s are a benchmark, then basically anything that has less than about 17 pounds per horsepower was deemed fairly "muscley" Back it up to 1950, and you're probably talking 20 pounds per horsepower. Move forward to today, and some folks are scoffing at 10 pounds per horsepower.
The late Roger Huntington in the book American Supercar took a longer view of the topic, citing Detroit "supercar" examples from at least three decades before the '64 G.T.O., while admitting that the explosion of access and popularity emerged when detuned "superstock" V8s became widely available in medium-sized cars that young folks could buy on payments.
Several writers also make cases for "Muscle" to include vehicles built long after the insurance "crisis" and the 1970 Clean Air Act stomped the "traditional" party in the early '70s.
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Originally posted by squirrel View PostSo, the point is that you ignore what period that the HAMB is about, and say they're not period correct?
It's not surprising that so many who have posted to this thread have appreciation for "traditional" (as HAMB defines it) hot rodding, own "period" vehicles, and even have "period" experience (not just later-day, "period correct" re-enactor "experience") and yet still feel excluded by the "Kulture" of the HAMB "community."
As you say, it's a big world . . . HAMB obviously fills a successful niche in the market . . . and HAMB fanaticism is always good for a quick laugh and a droll punchline.
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If I had enough energy left, I'd start a website about "Modern Cars That Are Way Too Commonplace But They Go Pretty Fast But Nobody Likes Them Because Everybody Has One."
I'm going back to bed again. Old farts need their rest.Charter member of the Turd Nuggets
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Originally posted by RockJustRock View PostMake a forum for "Guys who do things in cars that normal people would need to wear a diaper to do".Charter member of the Turd Nuggets
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The 49 would mostly fit in. It has some modern touches, like most HAMB cars.
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O.K., you guys want opinions? I don't even lurk there. First of all the word "Jalopy". Don't want anything to do with a Jalopy, anything Jalopy-like or a Journal about Jalopies. Second is the layout. I think they hired in an Asian guy by the name of Ug Lee to do it. Doesn't look old timey, just cold and stiff. Then into the threads. For every informative post with insight there are 2-3 corny wisecrack posts and 3 or 4 preachy posts by guys who really have little or no idea what they are really talking about but insist on saying SOMETHING anyway. That apparently irrepressible need to somehow embellish what is being said and leave their mark. It's in the spirit of PARTICIPATION, y'know? It's a tight little clique like this, it gives those folks enjoyment like this, but it's NOT like this, so leave it alone.Last edited by RockJustRock; March 1, 2019, 06:31 AM.My hobby is needing a hobby.
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Originally posted by Gateclyve Photographic View Post
"Muscle car" is mostly a useless designation made up by writers. It almost never appears in the literature of the 1960s. But then the phrase "supercar" took on a connotation of foreign exotics, so about three decades ago, the writers invented the "muscle car" sobriquet.
What each era adjudges to be quick and fast is, relatively speaking, quick and fast, regardless of how many doors or cylinders or aspiration type or cubic inches.
If the '60s are a benchmark, then basically anything that has less than about 17 pounds per horsepower was deemed fairly "muscley" Back it up to 1950, and you're probably talking 20 pounds per horsepower. Move forward to today, and some folks are scoffing at 10 pounds per horsepower.
The late Roger Huntington in the book American Supercar took a longer view of the topic, citing Detroit "supercar" examples from at least three decades before the '64 G.T.O., while admitting that the explosion of access and popularity emerged when detuned "superstock" V8s became widely available in medium-sized cars that young folks could buy on payments.
Several writers also make cases for "Muscle" to include vehicles built long after the insurance "crisis" and the 1970 Clean Air Act stomped the "traditional" party in the early '70s.My hobby is needing a hobby.
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Originally posted by Monster View PostI agree establishing a muscle car era board wouldn't be easy. Could we even agree on the date range of our "era"?
I believe most enthusiasts would agree the start was the 1964 Pontiac GTO, but where does it end ?
1975 was the end as I recall, due to gas shortages.
What would it look like ?
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Do I get a vote? If I do it would be what I've been trying to get across here. Let Bangshift be Bangshift, HAMB be HAMB and be satisfied both do what they do like they do it. If you want exclusivity pick a set of years, say 64-73, and do a musclecar only sub forum. I don't know what would be discussed there that isn't covered in the others. Obscure trim pieces? Dealer brochures and literature? Bias ply tire tech? But give it a fling.
Personally I care little about period correctness. Sounds like a feminine hygiene discussion.Last edited by RockJustRock; March 1, 2019, 08:52 AM.My hobby is needing a hobby.
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Your definition will get very contrived. For instance a musclecar should have a special name and appearance package, but doesn't have to. A 427 Biscayne is no less a musclecar than a SS427 Impala but an Impala SS with a 275 HP 327 wouldn't pass. That's why I go back to unqualified musclecar is BIG BLOCK period. Junior Musclecars need not apply.My hobby is needing a hobby.
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I think Monster has the right idea....you can bitch about the HAMB not being "right", but when you try to start something "right" about any other topic that has a limited scope, you can't define what "right" is.
The HAMB is what it is. Its not what you think it should be. Get over it.
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