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  • #16
    I played golf with a guy some time ago who was a professional fund raiser. According to him his fee was a flat 20%. Guess that's why he could play golf on a Wednesday afternoon.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Loren View Post
      Nice, that they don't make you choose. That sounds suspiciously like a "charity" that used to get bottom ratings for the smallest percentage of donations making it to the claimed beneficiaries but then it would...it's a raffle where they buy very expensive cars which have to be paid for and which are handed back to ticket buyers. Only money over the top and past administrative and (presumably heavy) advertising expense goes on to whatever charitable cause. All we don't know about is how much of the money taken in the promoter winds up putting in their pockets. So; search: Three pages in all I get is stuff that sounds like advertising for the company, glowing wondrous reviews that sound like they were written by said promoter (they must work very hard at that) and certainly not by any short-end-of-the-stick grumblers. Until you come to a single employee review ( https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/W...9068.11,25.htm ) that says the place is full of liars and crooks, but doesn't sound much more credible than all the positive ones. Me I'm not much of a gambler (different meaning than risk-taker). This end of the country is surrounded by Indian casinos that deliver fantastic sometimes-incomprehensible wealth to their owning tribes all courtesy of gamblers who don't win, sometimes I wish the whole industry (that, Vegas, the lottery) were illegal but then, grownups should get to choose where to spend their money and I guess you could call it all entertainment.

      So anyhow, I'll take them both...both cars, yep. And I wouldn't be selling them for the bucks either, if I won those shiny things I'd wanna keep those shiny things. But I won't, because I'm not buying tickets, until I knew how the scheme worked I'd consider my money not to be spent on risk-taking but rather just gambled away. They sure are pretty though.
      so.... they don't give 'enough'.... it's better that they give nothing then give a small amount. okay then that makes no sense at all... personally, I'm not going to throw rocks at anyone who helps because something is always better then nothing. What's really ironic in what you said is that you'd take the car rather then giving the car (if you won) to charity to increase that small amount.....

      but do sit there and throw rocks at those who help.....
      Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; June 26, 2019, 06:59 AM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post

        so.... they don't give 'enough'.... it's better that they give nothing then give a small amount. okay then that makes no sense at all... personally, I'm not going to throw rocks at anyone who helps because something is always better then nothing. What's really ironic in what you said is that you'd take the car rather then giving the car (if you won) to charity to increase that small amount.....

        but do sit there and throw rocks at those who help.....
        Throwing rocks? When we've got a case where a skeptical dose of reality is being called "throwing rocks", then what we need here is a closer look. My point is, people shouldn't fool themselves into a dollar's worth of feel-good-moment if only a nickel of that dollar went to the big charity name being displayed for advertising, and three or four times that went to the promotion company and the rest to other expenses (all example only, taken from what we can glean of other programs, I cannot find and we will never know their actual figures). If something is always better than nothing, why not give the promoter $20 then so the children or whatever get a full buck? You'll still be able to call it as $20 you gave, especially if you have yourself believe that when you win the cars you might just hand them along to somewhere needy instead of keeping them yourself. The guaranteed big winner is still the promoter, and there's nothing wrong with that as he's presumably playing by the rules set, but he took in a bunch of people's money and produced virtually nothing except to give participants a few moments of hope to possess something they normally would not.

        My belief is: For the sake of a charity budget to write checks from, at whatever level a person decides that should be for them, it would be good to shop the lists of organizations who step up and reveal how much good they're doing for what they take in or otherwise do one's own due diligence appropriate to the cause chosen and grant personal satisfaction based on that. For somebody's gambling budget, they should do whatever suits their taste and if they win two cars or a million bucks-whatever which they probably will not, they can decide then on how to allocate it out. Let's all just be real though, on what's what.
        Last edited by Loren; June 26, 2019, 08:23 AM.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Loren View Post

          Throwing rocks? When we've got a case where a skeptical dose of reality is being called "throwing rocks", then what we need here is a closer look. My point is, people shouldn't fool themselves into a dollar's worth of feel-good-moment if only a nickel of that dollar went to the big charity name being displayed for advertising, and three or four times that went to the promotion company and the rest to other expenses (all example only, taken from what we can glean of other programs, I cannot find and we will never know their actual figures). If something is always better than nothing, why not give the promoter $20 then so the children or whatever get a full buck? You'll still be able to call it as $20 you gave, especially if you have yourself believe that when you win the cars you might just hand them along to somewhere needy instead of keeping them yourself. The guaranteed big winner is still the promoter, and there's nothing wrong with that as he's presumably playing by the rules set, but he took in a bunch of people's money and produced virtually nothing except to give participants a few moments of hope to possess something they normally would not.

          My belief is: For the sake of a charity budget to write checks from, at whatever level a person decides that should be for them, it would be good to shop the lists of organizations who step up and reveal how much good they're doing for what they take in or otherwise do one's own due diligence appropriate to the cause chosen and grant personal satisfaction based on that. For somebody's gambling budget, they should do whatever suits their taste and if they win two cars or a million bucks-whatever which they probably will not, they can decide then on how to allocate it out. Let's all just be real though, on what's what.
          some men you just can't reach.

          Okay Loren, so how much is 'enough' for them it be a charity campaign?

          Personally I think that donors that look for the itemized receipt aren't really donating anything at all because they get something in exchange for their gift....
          Doing it all wrong since 1966

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          • #20
            Charity is doing something with no expectation or desire of reward. Buying a raffle ticket is a motivational tool to get people to donate when they otherwise would not... but listening to this sounds like the sour grapes after the Notre Dame fire - people donate billions to fix it and all some can say is there are other, more worthy charities.... really? who the bloody hell made you the judge of what is worthy of donation with someone else's money?

            Doing it all wrong since 1966

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            • #21
              Nobody the bloody hell made me the judge of anything.

              You might check to see what you're sitting on.
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              • #22
                I just think it is probably better odds than Powerball or Mega Millions, so why not? If they said they were raising money for partying and porn it would still be a good deal. They are playing the charity aspect very, very low key.
                My hobby is needing a hobby.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Loren View Post
                  Nobody the bloody hell made me the judge of anything.
                  and yet.... 'enough'
                  Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                  • #24
                    I think everybody here is nearly at wits' end. For whatever reason. If we realize it and accept it, we can all relax. I can relax but it still hurts, physically.
                    Charter member of the Turd Nuggets

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                    • #25
                      I have no wits... where do you buy such things?

                      maybe I should put up a warning list:
                      SBG's triggers:
                      1) don't tell others to run bicyclists over
                      2) don't judge
                      3) Mondays.
                      Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; June 26, 2019, 11:37 AM.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
                        SBG's triggers
                        What ... only three ?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
                          I have no wits... where do you buy such things?

                          maybe I should put up a warning list:
                          SBG's triggers:
                          1) don't tell others to run bicyclists over
                          2) don't judge
                          3) Mondays.
                          Number 2 and 3 must get aggravating in courtrooms. 4 day work week?
                          My hobby is needing a hobby.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Monster View Post

                            What ... only three ?
                            It's not like I have a MoparRules hang up like others....
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                            • #29
                              Enough, yourself. I am not judging (#2), I'm arguing for efficiency and accountability of third-party agencies who solicit donations. But, collecting...

                              Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
                              Charity ... with no expectation or desire of reward.
                              ...sounds like a more lucrative business to be in.

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                              • #30
                                Regardless of the donator's motivation, I believe it is fairly common knowledge that only a very small percentage of donations made to charity organizations, actually make it to the beneficiaries. They are classified as "non-profit", but they are allowed to pay all overheads of the organization before the leftover is handed out to the needy.

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