Why can't they...

[RyanWalker]

Build a pony car 400hp - 450hp, 2800-2900lbs, under 25,000k, everything delete, just as an experiment. I look at every new Camaro, Mustang, Challenger and see a new age cowardly mess of 30 airbags, navigation, 8 different types of radio's, multi zone seatwarmers.... I could go on and leads to 4000+lbs. of poor handling, bulky slow cars, that the Germans and Italians still snicker at and will continue do so if we keep building plasticky, heavy, cumbersome, poorly tuned cars. It would be so easy...... These f%**in " muscle cars" are fully loaded Camry's with two doors and 400 something horsepower give or take. IT'S DISGUSTING!!! It would be so easy..... Rant ovah.....

BTW I know why "they can't" just venting....

[BangShift McT]

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But they could.

Do you need 8-10 speakers?
Or a 4-zone ass warmer/cooler?
You damn sure don't need a big navi screen. If most people can't master the cellphone and driving, why do we give them a computer screen?
What about power windows? Is it really that hard to crank a window down? Really?!
Half the sound deadener in the interior is overkill...

Now let's look at the rolling stock. Yeah, the 18" factory rims. That's a ton of unsprung weight...oh, I'm sorry! Did you opt for the 20" rims? Keep adding the weight on...

Sunroof? Yeah, more weight...


You could hack a ton of weight out of the cars and still keep the new upgraded saftey components and the "saftey cage" design, no problem.

[moparmaniac07]

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I don't know about poorly tuned, but they do have way too much crap in them. Who wants a navigation system or seat warmers anyway?

[truckpuller]

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I don't know about poorly tuned, but they do have way too much crap in them. Who wants a navigation system or seat warmers anyway?

Getting lost is most of the fun on roadtrips anyways. That is unless you are on University avenue in Minneapolis after dark.

[RyanWalker]

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But they could.

Exactly, it's the common culture of today's car buyer and the bureaucratic mess to bring the simple idea to fruition.

I don't know about poorly tuned

It only take's 750hp to run 12.0's in the new Super Snake.. :

[ghustler]

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GMs "onstar" is the biggest crock of it all!
Nobody is going to opt for paying for it after the first year is up.
And that stupid antenna is a great place for rust to start in a couple of years.

[Barry Donovan]

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the cars aren't heavy. "plasticky" yes, but they aint heavy. they got the scale leverage game down to a science a nascar cheater would worship....

there is an optimism to all the electronics. good old weldable bangable smashable savable steel is a goner in exchange for thinner hertz killers...oh wait. thats NOT optimism. :

you can learn alot from the evolution of a pc case...

I am one non-stupored american...just one.


spread the word.

[RyanWalker]

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the cars aren't heavy. "plasticky" yes, but they aint heavy. they got the scale leverage game down to a science a nascar cheater would worship....

there is an optimism to all the electronics. good old weldable bangable smashable savable steel is a goner in exchange for thinner hertz killers...oh wait. thats NOT optimism. :

you can learn alot from the evolution of a pc case...

I am one non-stupored american...just one.


spread the word.

Alot heavier than they could be. Until the electronics are sleek hip and light I'd rather do without them... you can keep the orbiting buttocks masseuse that comes standard in the 1SS, jeez .... I thinks folks want a hot rod, which to my point would mean SIMPLIFY.....

[RyanWalker]

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What sparked this was going to the local Chevy dealership and seeing that these Camaro's still go for about 40k, oh well demand is stellar at least...

[Ron Ward]

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It's nice to see somebody who feels the way I do.

http://www.bangshift.com/forum/index.php?topic=16851.0

They could shave 4-500 lbs out of one of these door stops and really have a great car.

6-way power adjustable seats? Electric windows? Power moon roof?

They add all this stuff to the car so they can sell them at $40K+


Ron

[Bamfster]

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Too bad the "bodies in white" can never be registered for street use.....even then, they're way over priced.

[dieselgeek]

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I agree that they're overloaded pigs, but "poorly tuned" or the implication that they're slow is incorrect. Today's "muscle" cars are waaaaaay faster than the plastic tire crap that you hear all the old codgers talking about. Contrary to popular belief, there was no showroom stock Hemi car that would pull the front tires, or run better than a 14 uncorked.

[DanStokes]

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I think I can qualify as a "Real" hot rodder, and I LOVE the Onstar. We travel A LOT and it's saved our bacon many a time in strange locals. "Hello, Onstar. We need a dog-friendly motel in Podunk. That'll be a ground floor, non-smoking room. No problem, sir - would you like me to connect you?" And yes, we signed up for the second year. It's a feature that would strongly influence us to buy GM the next time - oh, and the fact that the HHR has been a little tank.

Dan

GMs "onstar" is the biggest crock of it all!
Nobody is going to opt for paying for it after the first year is up.
And that stupid antenna is a great place for rust to start in a couple of years.

[squirrel]

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I think the basic problem is that the guys who really want a strippo, powerful car can just build their own. And there's no money in it for the carmakers....all the profit in new cars is in the options.

[urwurznitmahre]

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I think the basic problem is that the guys who really want a strippo, powerful car can just build their own. And there's no money in it for the carmakers....all the profit in new cars is in the options.

cost to much to make 7 different wire harnesses..
and stock all those extra parts..
what a crank window gonna save ya.. 2 lb..maybe..
you'll never see a strippper or a "custom" again..