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  • Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

    OK. So. I am sitting peeking around trying to help a few buddies in a couple different states. Doing a search for locations of certain stampings for mid 70's Fords for certain numbers. Got into a search on the www.NHTSA.gov board.
    Don't know what the hell I stumble into, but I start reading this mess:
    http://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/NRD/A...Technology.pdf

    I get to reading the stuff about how wonderful and great the EDR is for crash research and big brother...yada yada...


    A couple things that KILL me:

    Abstract:
    State and federal transportation agencies can expect to incur both startup and operational costs associated with EDR data collection. Startup costs will include both the purchase of EDR data retrieval units and training for the accident investigators or law enforcement personnel who will be performing the actual EDR downloads. In addition, EDR data collection will add somewhat to the time required for accident investigation. These costs however are expected to be a barrier to EDR data collection only in the near term. As EDR data becomes more widely used in the courts and as EDRs become more widespread in the passenger vehicle fleet, there will be growing legal incentives for the states to collect EDR data.
    EDRs are a rapidly evolving and, in many ways, still immature technology. Both the Society of Automotive Engineers and the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers have recently released standards or recommended practices for EDRs. In 2004, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) for EDRs voluntarily installed in light vehicles. This NCHRP program has developed several recommendations for enhancement of these devices to meet the specific needs of highway crash data analysis. These recommendations include
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    the adoption of the standardized set of data elements included in the NHTSA NPRM on EDRs, the addition of a specialized list of data elements which would assist roadside crash safety research, as well as a list of other required improvements to EDR performance and data download methods. Finally, the research program has developed a recommended EDR Database format for state and federal transportation agencies which seek to collect and systematically store EDR data.
    While the preceding technological issues are challenging, they are solvable. More uncertain are the concerns which have been raised about the legal and public acceptability of the widespread collection of EDR data. Much of the public hesitation to accept EDRs has revolved around the recording of pre-crash data, e.g. vehicle speed, rather than the crashworthiness data, e.g. crash pulse. Pre-crash data can be used to directly evaluate a driver?s responsibility for a crash. This report presents the findings of two special studies, conducted as part of this research program, which specifically examine the legal issues surrounding EDRs and the consumer acceptability of EDR data collection.

    2.2.3 Other Automakers
    With the exception of Ford and GM, the automakers contacted by the research team would only discuss their EDRs with the understanding that any information provided was confidential. Compared with the Ford and GM EDRs, the EDRs of many, but not all, other automakers, provide only limited information pertaining to a crash. In fact, most automakers were uncomfortable with the term EDR, and preferred the designation ?airbag control module with memory?.

    I have not managed to get very far in this, I probably should keep reading, but damn this stuff, why is it the sheeple masses just blindly accept this crap. As said before, this is why I keep sticking it out with my 30+ year old DD F series.
    If I want fuel injection, someone find me a donor F350 with a FI 460!


    Andrew
    1972 Ford Gran Torino Sport and other FoCoMo problem children

    2020...year of seeing clearly for the first time in a while. And moving half way across the USA to rehabilitate a 65 year old abandoned dealership into a rod and resto shop.

    Moving to Alabama from Nebraska...I left Nebraska and came back to Nebraska. Only with a lot less snow.

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    Re: Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

    the more mistakes go largley public, the more this stuff can go back to the socialist twisted flinking fairy tale it came from.

    I kinda punch it all in the face with a manual geared carburated japanese vehicle I made myself.

    ;D
    Previously boxer3main
    the death rate and fairy tales cannot kill the nature left behind.

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    • #3
      Re: Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

      if they just punish all the crime, then there' be no crime.... there's another truism as well, if you punish all the crimes then everyone will be criminals.....
      Welcome to 1984....
      Doing it all wrong since 1966

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      • #4
        Re: Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

        Originally posted by Buickguy
        if they just punish all the crime, then there' be no crime.... there's another truism as well, if you punish all the crimes then everyone will be criminals.....
        Welcome to 1984....

        communist russia.
        If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower. - Mark Donohue

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        • #5
          Re: Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

          Originally posted by JOES66FURY2
          Originally posted by Buickguy
          if they just punish all the crime, then there' be no crime.... there's another truism as well, if you punish all the crimes then everyone will be criminals.....
          Welcome to 1984....

          communist russia.
          no..
          commonwealth,
          russia still had rich or poor,,
          we're on the way to all poor

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          • #6
            Re: Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

            yep , full time lawmakers pass enough laws to make everything unlawful

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            • #7
              Re: Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

              See these things don't bother me one bit as long as it has to be manually downloaded. If it can be OnStar'd while I'm just driving around, that would bug me, but after an accident, meh. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and should accept responsibility, if I did everything right it'll show that. If you are paranoid about police correctly identifying your driving habits, then I probably don't want you on the road with me either.
              Escaped on a technicality.

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              • #8
                Re: Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

                Originally posted by TheSilverBuick
                See these things don't bother me one bit as long as it has to be manually downloaded. If it can be OnStar'd while I'm just driving around, that would bug me, but after an accident, meh. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and should accept responsibility, if I did everything right it'll show that. If you are paranoid about police correctly identifying your driving habits, then I probably don't want you on the road with me either.
                in a court of law, you being right doesn't matter, it's how the information is displayed, to the judge and or jury.
                it's all in how the story is told, not the facts

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                • #9
                  Re: Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

                  Originally posted by IRONHEAD
                  Originally posted by TheSilverBuick
                  See these things don't bother me one bit as long as it has to be manually downloaded. If it can be OnStar'd while I'm just driving around, that would bug me, but after an accident, meh. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and should accept responsibility, if I did everything right it'll show that. If you are paranoid about police correctly identifying your driving habits, then I probably don't want you on the road with me either.
                  in a court of law, you being right doesn't matter, it's how the information is displayed, to the judge and or jury.
                  it's all in how the story is told, not the facts
                  So by default less information is better : Easier to make up a story that way :
                  Escaped on a technicality.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Ah, yes, another "Technology will get you" rant

                    Originally posted by TheSilverBuick
                    Originally posted by IRONHEAD
                    Originally posted by TheSilverBuick
                    See these things don't bother me one bit as long as it has to be manually downloaded. If it can be OnStar'd while I'm just driving around, that would bug me, but after an accident, meh. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and should accept responsibility, if I did everything right it'll show that. If you are paranoid about police correctly identifying your driving habits, then I probably don't want you on the road with me either.
                    in a court of law, you being right doesn't matter, it's how the information is displayed, to the judge and or jury.
                    it's all in how the story is told, not the facts
                    So by default less information is better : Easier to make up a story that way :
                    I hope I never have to find out, but my mother side are in that line of work(judge/cops/laywer and all agreee, it's a high power brain f''k of a chess match

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