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[BBR]

You've got to have more liquidity than I have to be an event promoter.

Does that mean you don't drink enough to be an event promoter?

[38P]

Knowing a few promotors and observing their prodigious alcohol consumption, that's a distinct possiblity.

[Beagle]

6 pages of butt itch. Your plan to piss off the entire planet is working.

"I love it when a plan comes together."

I'm amazed that you've apparently concluded that I've not raised a single valid point in "six pages of butt itch." We are really becoming a nation of superficial people who think in "tweets" and slogans.

It's a fickle world and you have to be aware of offending your fan base. Perhaps not, and you wind up alienating them. You lost me when you started in on the 18 second slow ass daily drivers who tree'd you to the registration. My tow truck runs 15's, the burned up one (00 Lightning) ran 13's, and you offended me. This isn't the first thread that has attacked the DD class.

As I've said in this thread before you got cranked up here, I'm probably sensitive from the Fast Orange I've been bathing in to remove grease from getting my old crappy 18 second driver to not be on the bench during the bracket race on Friday. It looks like it will take low 12's to be on the tarmac, so I'm busy too. I didn't send my first two page reply that had to be so heavily edited that I ended up deleting it. BBR's reply was more along the lines of what I meant.

I could go buy a low 13 Coyote, but it means more to me having my slow ass 18 second daily driver put the stock Coyote on the trailer. I could also bitch about the coach but I was paying attention in the locker room, so I'll be on the field instead.

With regard to Slogans, how about "WTF is a tweet?"

[Bamfster]

It's a fickle world and you have to be aware of offending your fan base. Perhaps not, and you wind up alienating them. You lost me when you started in on the 18 second slow ass daily drivers who tree'd you to the registration. My tow truck runs 15's, the burned up one (00 Lightning) ran 13's, and you offended me. This isn't the first thread that has attacked the DD class.

As I've said in this thread before you got cranked up here, I'm probably sensitive from the Fast Orange I've been bathing in to remove grease from getting my old crappy 18 second driver to not be on the bench during the bracket race on Friday. It looks like it will take low 12's to be on the tarmac, so I'm busy too. I didn't send my first two page reply that had to be so heavily edited that I ended up deleting it. BBR's reply was more along the lines of what I meant.

I could go buy a low 13 Coyote, but it means more to me having my slow ass 18 second daily driver put the stock Coyote on the trailer. I could also bitch about the coach but I was paying attention in the locker room, so I'll be on the field instead.

With regard to Slogans, how about "WTF is a tweet?"

What he said!!!!

[SuperBuickGuy]

But earlier I posted how a factory could get around the "no rental" rule. Major trucking companies often stock their fleets with "equipment leases" where the title to the vehicle is in the trucking company, but the "deal" is structured with a high residual or a "balloon" payment so that it functions as a lease.

Here's the skinny on how I think the Detroit lawyers would do it:

1. Find two or three trusted racers who will "invest" in the following game.

2. Identify a state or even an indian tribe with low registration/taxation fees.

3. Develop a sale/lease/indemnity agreement that would require an up front payment for tax/title/insurance/"first payment" and with a giant balloon payment for the balance of the car due immediately at the end of DW, with the option of transfering the car back instead of paying for it. All casualty losses would be covered by an insurance policy, so there's no real risk to the "buyer."

4. Have title issued from MSO by the state or tribe with the a lien on it in favor of the manufacturer or better yet, some front company that "finances" the deal. Lien holder is "loss payee" on the insurance policy.

5. The racers sign over the title and give up the first payment check before delivery of the car. The signed title is held by the lien holder. (If HRM has to see the title for check-in, then the turn over of the signed title could occur later).

6. The cars are delivered at or near the event together with an insurance card and whatever proof of ownership documents are necessary in the name of the driver.

7. After the event, the cars are picked up and the lien holder issues a full release.

See how that functions like a one week rental, but looks on paper like a sale transaction . . . .

Surprisingly, there was a lot of support in the following thread for factory-backed OEM cars in DW: http://www.bangshift.com/forum/showt...ion-Cars/page4

All that "work" for a jacket that'd cost $2.50 to buy from the chinese tailor who makes them for DW. In the end (even if you won) it still isn't your car that you're running, so really it's all about running your mouth off about how your buddy's car is the fastest in town.

I also love how concept of moral just doesn't live in your world. Rather then manning up, taking off the girly panties, and saying "yep, learned that lesson" then cheering on the guys that get it, you sit here and bitch.

As for your plan, yeah, it'd be legal for about a year - unless HRM gets wind of what you did and says you're outside of the spirit of competition then all your hard work would be for naught. Again, that's morals - something you seem to be competely devoid of owning.

I suppose you're just cutting out the middleman by finding a forum where you can bitch about how unfair the world is to you.

Let me be the first to say it.

I'm still laughing how unfair it is to you. It gives me hope in humanity that people like you get to sit on the outside and cry. So do keep ranting, it's really funny.

[38P]

It's a fickle world and you have to be aware of offending your fan base. Perhaps not, and you wind up alienating them. You lost me when you started in on the 18 second slow ass daily drivers who tree'd you to the registration. My tow truck runs 15's, the burned up one (00 Lightning) ran 13's, and you offended me. This isn't the first thread that has attacked the DD class.

You've taken my "18-second" comment out of context. The original point was the attack on new store-bought muscle as being unworthy of DW*. I merely contrasted 18-sec. dailies with 13-10 second new cars. No disrespect for the 18s. I later said I didn't mind if guys signed up with 25 h.p. VWs . . . I love the diversity. I can't see why you're offended when you read in context. I NEVER said that the slower cars ought to be displaced by any "store bought" muscle or anything else. I'm arguing for MORE PARTICIPATION BY ALL TYPES OF CARS.

I could go buy a low 13 Coyote, but it means more to me having my slow ass 18 second daily driver put the stock Coyote on the trailer. I could also bitch about the coach but I was paying attention in the locker room, so I'll be on the field instead.

I'd be on the field, too -- IN THE DAILY DRIVER CLASS (so I'm hardly attacking it) -- if I hadn't missed the arguably obscure sign-up. Of course in bracket racing, an 18-sec. car is competitive with anything. But I'd be shocked if a Coyote on good tires will only run 13s.

With regard to Slogans, how about "WTF is a tweet?"

A tweet is how Twitter users share their thoughts in something like 168 characters per thought.

[CDMBill]

IIRC Twitter users are called twits.

[38P]

All that "work" for a jacket that'd cost $2.50 to buy from the chinese tailor who makes them for DW. In the end (even if you won) it still isn't your car that you're running, so really it's all about running your mouth off about how your buddy's car is the fastest in town.

You're missing the point. A factory-backed effort would be about creating "buzz," awareness and reputation. Why does Ford spend money on drifting? Few people watch it. There's almost no money at stake. Bangshifters hate it. But they do it because they know it gives them an inrode into a niche where they want to sell more product.

I see the same thing here. The OEMs could use DW* as a grassroots way to demonstrate their products to potential customers and obtain relatively cheap publicity. People who run DW*, watch DW*, and read about DW* include many opinion leaders -- people who influence vehicle purchases. Thus such outreach could increase vehicle and parts sales. And it builds bragging rights that are important to the owner base and the "fan boys."

Sorry if you don't understand. Zora Arkus-Duntov did. Vince Piggens did. I suspect others do to.

I also love how concept of moral just doesn't live in your world. Rather then manning up, taking off the girly panties, and saying "yep, learned that lesson" then cheering on the guys that get it, you sit here and bitch.

How many times to I have to write that I HOPE EVERYONE WHO GOT IN DW* HAS FUN? HOW MANY TIME DO I HAVE TO ADMIT THE PRIMARY BLAME FOR MISSING THE SHOW IS MY OWN.

Frankly, I'm amazed that any critiques of anything or any constructive ideas for future improvement are dismissed as "girly" "bitch[ing]." I guess we've achieved perfection with everything and criticism must be banned for the common good.

As for your plan, yeah, it'd be legal for about a year - unless HRM gets wind of what you did and says you're outside of the spirit of competition then all your hard work would be for naught. Again, that's morals - something you seem to be competely devoid of owning.

It's not immoral to find a creative way to comply with the rules. Moreover, I strongly suspect HRM cannot write a set of ownership rules that cannot be exploited by clever factory planners.

I suppose you're just cutting out the middleman by finding a forum where you can bitch about how unfair the world is to you.

Let me be the first to say it.

I'm still laughing how unfair it is to you. It gives me hope in humanity that people like you get to sit on the outside and cry. So do keep ranting, it's really funny.

That's unfair. I've not "bitched" about how the world is unfair. I have merely identified problems, candidly admittted my own failures, and proposed reasoned solutions. That's simply not "bitching." Sorry if you're unwilling to consider substantive discussions on how to make things better.

Glad you're entertained. Sorry that you're apparently missing my points, though.

[Brian Lohnes]

You haven't bitched? What color is the sky in your world? (Acapulco Blue is not an acceptable answer).

[38P]

One more thing, Beagle, I'd be in favor of multiple awards in the DD class -- such as for sub-brackets for 18.00 and up, 17.00, 16.00, 15.00, 14.00, 13.00, 12.00 and 10.80 second cars, with an overally "top eliminator" for the overall DD bracket race winner. But I guess that some will dismiss that idea as more "bitching."

[38P]

You haven't bitched? What color is the sky in your world? (Acapulco Blue is not an acceptable answer).

A Ford man would say either "Guardsman Blue" or "Grabber Blue" . . . .

Brian, it's unfair to dismiss all of my suggestions for improvement as "bitching." Sure, I'm unhappy about the cheap shots and the arguably poor way HRM handled the registration fiasco. And if I stopped at that point, perhaps it would be fair to dismiss everything as "bitching." But I've made nearly a dozen positive suggestions for improvements in this thread. That's not "bitching." And I've argued for why I think the factories could use DW* and how they could do it under the current rules. That's not "bitching."

But, as always,, you're entitled to your opinion. I just hope I'm helping the "page hits" with your great website. Thanks for the forum.

[Brian Lohnes]

I don't think it is all bitching and your ideas are certainly not totally out in left field. There have been some bitchy moments though, as you mentioned.

[JeffMcKC]

One more thing, Beagle, I'd be in favor of multiple awards in the DD class -- such as for sub-brackets for 18.00 and up, 17.00, 16.00, 15.00, 14.00, 13.00, 12.00 and 10.80 second cars, with an overally "top eliminator" for the overall DD bracket race winner. But I guess that some will dismiss that idea as more "bitching."

Its not kids Soccerwhere everyone gets a Throphy for playing then they would mean nothing. Guys dont go for a Jacket, yeah it nice but lots of guys come back every year just to see the people they met and have a good time with slim chance of a Jacket.
It sold out in a Week, who needs to be more aware? David has said before, if you can run in the Top 32 of the DD Class then you need to work alittle harder it is a Hot Rod event for Fast Street Cars.

Nothing keeps a Factory Car out now, but no one needs to kiss their ass to bring one, in Drag Week everyone has the same chance no matter how much money you spend. Unlimited last year should have showed that.

I dont call it Bitching more like Babbling.

[38P]

I like the concept of a "Throphy" . . . sort of like those t-shirts they launch into the stands at a dirt-track race.

Apparently traditional class racing in the '60s was like "kids Soccerwhere [sic]."

Or I could use the shopworn argument that "if you don't run [the class], you've no right to an opinion." That's a fav of the "insiders."

The "insiders" are not very charitable on here (similar to when I suggested DW* rules changes last year) . . . they seem to prefer their discrete and insular little "family."

[TC]

The "insiders" are not very charitable on here (similar to when I suggested DW* rules changes last year) . . . they seem to prefer their discrete and insular little "family."

200 entries out of 300,000,000 people that live in this country, insular little family indeed........Hell I get a better turn out for one of my Birthday Parties..........

Speedy I live by the rule that if it was meant to be it will be........Maybe it's just not your year to be on DragWeek, maybe there will be some crazy freak tornado that swallows up half the field and it is just Karma's way of keeping you safe.........Fact is buddy their is always next year, hell I'd love to do it, but until my kids are out of high school I don't see it happening and that's another 6 years away, in the mean time I'm building a car and hopefully will be competitive with it.......Just remember things happen for a reason, so take off the dress, put the pants back on and suck it up like a man.........