Minimum CID for Engine Masters '13?

[dieselgeek]

Okay, serious question. Will the trick intake work with a longer stroke? For some reason, "417" keeps popping into mind.

Yes, if the rules permitted anything other than a 4150-flanged TB (or single bladed forward facing TB). The trick to our intake was proper CSA and runner length to capture TWO harmonics (hence our two-humped power curve) during the wide 3000-7000rpm range mandated at EMC. A tweak to CSA and runner length by someone who knows what they're doing and it would work fine, but the TB rules and other manifold rules eliminate us for 2013.

I'd still rather have finished second with an Early Hemi than finish first with ANY other engine (except maybe a Buick or a Y-Block ford, those are pretty cool antiques too). It's not who beat us that is noteworthy, it's who finished behind us that is noteworthy, including a couple well known store bought combos that SHOULD have dominated the competition...

[38P]

Yep, the 400cid rule sucks, and they made sure to eliminate the possibility of our hidden IR intake taking the win next year. Better testing with exhaust and we might have had it in 2012.

Okay, serious question. Will the trick intake work with a longer stroke? For some reason, "417" keeps popping into mind.

[38P]

Better testing with exhaust and we might have had it in 2012

I guess they reigned in the "geek" too much (see the slug on Bob's quote in PHR)

The good news is, the phone's ringing off the hook with people looking for EFI help in 2013 . . . At least one of those phone calls was a complete mind-blower for me.

BANGSHIFT WORLD EXCLUSIVE: TC is assembling some of the "choice" parts he's hidden from his wife and is entering Amsoil Engine Masters '13 . . . with tuning by DG!

In other news: Scientists have just found the missing portions of the Mayan calendar . . .

Hugo Chavez declares he's not a communist . . .

The Harbaugh brothers agree to settle the "Big Game" on a flip of Rick "Batmobile" Champaign's coin . . .

The "Black Spy" and the "White Spy" team up to save the World . . .

Lohnes dumps "Buford" for an LS-powered Trabant . . . .

Chad donates his beard to "Locks of Love" and takes a job with the Ford Motor Company . . . .

Freiburger buys a suit . . . .

[38P]

I know how we can stick a Volvo head on it...

Yeah . . . I've almost bought one of those "converted" Volvo 16-valve heads on eBay a couple of times . . . .

[Beagle]

400 inch says bring back the CHI headed 400 Ford mutant bastard step child from Kaase?

It doesn't take much for a 6.2 LS to stretch out to 400 inches. It doesn't take much for a 6.2 Ford OHC to stretch out to 400... it won't take much for a modern Hemi to get there, and even a hasn't been used in 15 years Windsor is a cake walk for 400+ inches. That's the "Small block" class at Drag Week - 430 inches I believe?

We're not on the OHC superiority thing again are we? Why is it such a bad thing to have 400" of internal combustion?

[Thumpin455]

It doesnt bother me, all the engines I want to build, except for one, are over 400ci. The LS I want to build will have a 4" crank, the Cleveland for the Mustang will get a 4" crank too. My Pontiacs start at 400ci, wont really mess with anything smaller. The only thing I plan to do that is smaller is a 3800 with high compression running ethanol, not exactly an EMC type build since its more about mileage than max power.

As stated when I was but a wee kid, "Its a 400ci world out there" at least for some of us.

It also doesnt bother me because it wont be all SBC, LSx, and early Hemis in the mag. The Olds and AMC were pretty cool builds last year though.

[dieselgeek]

Yep, the 400cid rule sucks, and they made sure to eliminate the possibility of our hidden IR intake taking the win next year. Better testing with exhaust and we might have had it in 2012. Oh well.

The good news is, the phone's ringing off the hook with people looking for EFI help in 2013, I plan on being there, hopefully with a player.

At least one of those phone calls was a complete mind-blower for me.

And meanwhile, I was with Huber this past weekend - tuning all kinds of crazy sh!t they're involved in (32 Ford with a 14-71 blown Hemi, an MG Midget with a stroker 347, and get this - a 33' x 10.5' PONTOON BOAT... with a 575" big chevy and an Arneson surface drive!!! friend me on Facebook if you want to see videos of all three of these)

Huber is planning some big things for this year. For the first time we're putting his engine on an engine dyno and we're looking for more power. Definitely I will have video of that.

-Scott

[Bob Holmes]

All of this "big motor" trash talk is liable to make me rethink my "Billy Rosewood" escalation plan for future DWs . . . .

Don't goad me into showing up with a four cylinder just to prove a point . . . .


(Jon Huber's ARCA-head SOHC "four barrel")

I know how we can stick a Volvo head on it...

[38P]

....or followed your non-nitrous DW misadventures with a puny 5 liter

Most of us would run a big motor if we could. Read the blown 302 thread again.

All of this "big motor" trash talk is liable to make me rethink my "Billy Rosewood" escalation plan for future DWs . . . .


Don't goad me into showing up with a four cylinder just to prove a point . . . .


(Jon Huber's ARCA-head SOHC "four barrel")

[squirrel]

....or followed your non-nitrous DW misadventures with a puny 5 liter

Most of us would run a big motor if we could. Read the blown 302 thread again.

[38P]

somewhere there is a demographic that gives a sh!t about little motors, but BS isn't that demographic.

Yeah, those would be the BSers who posted page after page bench racing a supercharged 302 Ford last week . . . or who follow the perils of peashootin', trans-crackin', oil leakin' Buford T. Justice . . . or . . . .

[38P]

400 cubes does not sound like the average enthusiast to me.

Maybe next year they'll set the minimum at 545 . . . .

[squirrel]

They're racing a dyno, I don't see that EM has much to do with the real world. Although it does look like it's a lot of fun (and very educational) for those who participate.

And Outsider....somewhere there is a demographic that gives a sh!t about little motors, but BS isn't that demographic.

[38P]

Those Bow-Tie boys will do anything to win . . . .

Upon further review . . . I guess the Hot Heads 385-cube Gen I Hemi was just getting too close for comfort. http://www.hothemiheads.com/

Time for a big "arm" . . . .

[BBR]

400 cubes does not sound like the average enthusiast to me. You just ruled out the bucket load of stock stroke engines (LS1, 302, 351, 350, etc) that are the most frequently hot rodded. Not to mention some of the most popular stokers, 331, 347, 383. Strange choice in my opinion, but I guess I need to remember that they put on this competition to sell magazines, so they need a degree of variety from year to year.