The Least Successful Joint Venture In History Continues

[SpiderGearsMan]

DETROIT (AP) — General Motors and Ford are putting aside their longstanding rivalry to work together to develop a new generation of fuel-efficient automatic transmissions.

The companies said Monday that their engineers will jointly design nine- and 10-speed transmissions that will go into many of their new cars and trucks.

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[SpiderGearsMan]

2 morally bankrupt enterprises ...adrift in the wilderness
6T70e blowing up left and right

[Loren]

Maybe they should just buy units from Aisan, or license something from Getrag? Doesn't cost alot to build a trans that goes a thousand miles or takes a lot of horsepower, but a modern production line building a highly-developed automatic transmission that'll run 300k like the one in our Cherokee, that's another story. If they have to do it working together to have it happen in America, so be it. Weird, though.

[SpiderGearsMan]

the turbo caddy uses aisin
they suck too ...leaker
The benz nag in the jeep used to fill with water ,.......which is why they don't have a dipstick anymore

[milner351]

6F35 in fusions, escapes, etc - and who knows how many GM's - same dealio - mechanical architecture is same - control system is company proprietary.

Just don't run them at the min fill level - right Jim?

[SuperBuickGuy]

at what point will it be cost effective to simply decouple the motor from the drivetrain and have electric motors on one or more wheels? Seriously, I'd hate a motor thats torque range was so tiny that it needs Barryesque gear splitters (no offense intended Barry )

hell, it'd be easier to simply use steam power... boiler in the front, a steam turbine turning the wheels... viola - winner

[SpiderGearsMan]

the wave plate ...it just ...BLOWS UP
never had another tranny like it

[Barry Donovan]

at what point will it be cost effective to simply decouple the motor from the drivetrain and have electric motors on one or more wheels? Seriously, I'd hate a motor thats torque range was so tiny that it needs Barryesque gear splitters (no offense intended Barry )

hell, it'd be easier to simply use steam power... boiler in the front, a steam turbine turning the wheels... viola - winner

lack of knowledge is never offensive, its just stupid.

tiny torque curves are for inlines. That is where the mentally retarded tranny is coming from.

are you gonna call a 200 foot pound at idle diesel tiny curved too?

don't get fooled by the many gear tranny..excuse to build even shittier engines.

my own is 250 to 8500 rpm (limited) on a self balanced screaming crank that can do anything.

people are f******** stupid.

my only extra thoughts are for world records.

furthermore ..splitting 1781 setup as a racer is very nice to neighbors when real work loads need to happen. (I even tugged my brothers 3/4 ton out of his yard). These all in one sideways jalopies are doing it for themselves and not much else. Some engines are split to avoid the big torque launch.. gain control. Splitting a normal curved realm with no high or low is hiding something.

every year here, even on my city street, I am backing out of four holes deeper than wheel chocks, (that 3200 pound ricer sinks). quick blip, avoid the formula 1 bees to get out of the hole in four low. it is genius. I have literally had a neighbor come out in pajamas during a 2500 rpm warm up. it can shake a building. Real reasons for manly splitting of gears do not exist until diesels today.

Repulsive plague of idiot.

I can understand the sideways venture, saves money, rapes peoples wallets gently. I am old enough to remember a carbed v6 and 3 speed auto sideways. very jumpy and startling. there is no dispersal proper on those drivetrains. how bout that citation...or the 83 escort auto. Good god, run kids run.

again, my only reason for searching for extra is for impressive power.. I am a landspeed kinda guy. Very dieselish. in fact, I am on my last four cylinder due to the rarity of the three mains. Never owned a sideways v6..never will.

don't get me started on power and how wide torque curves are. my first rig ride is a 290 cummins and my last is a 550 cat twin turbo. don't even bother tugging at what I know about torque curves in reality.

they want the bullshit to go away, start with a little engine that can do anything. They are digging a deeper hole every year... sickening.

[tiresmoke!]

Funny how they scramble to come up with something reliable, and with 50-bazillion gears.

TH400...3 forward gears, handles just about anything you throw at it....this CAN'T be THAT hard to figure out. I don't HAVE to have 4-5-6 forward gears in a slushbox.

[Monk]

Funny how they scramble to come up with something reliable, and with 50-bazillion gears.

TH400...3 forward gears, handles just about anything you throw at it....this CAN'T be THAT hard to figure out. I don't HAVE to have 4-5-6 forward gears in a slushbox.

Or hey........PG.........shifts twice

[Big Dave]

at what point will it be cost effective to simply decouple the motor from the drivetrain and have electric motors on one or more wheels? Seriously, I'd hate a motor thats torque range was so tiny that it needs Barryesque gear splitters (no offense intended Barry )

hell, it'd be easier to simply use steam power... boiler in the front, a steam turbine turning the wheels... viola - winner

GM is working on an engine without cam or valve springs. Using a computer controlled solenoid on each valve......unlimited rpm's.

[dieselgeek]

I'd hate a motor thats torque range was so tiny that it needs Barryesque gear splitters (no offense intended Barry )

you mean like a GM 6.x diesel? <snicker>

[BangShift McT]

Seriously, after four forward speeds, you do NOT need any more in a slushbox. The 5-spd in the Mustang sucked, the Chrysler's is only just better.

Hey, random idea...how about learning how to pick your own gears? Lazy-ass Americans...yes, I said it.

[SpiderGearsMan]

you mean like a GM 6.x diesel? <snicker>

times change petrol geek

[SpiderGearsMan]

Seriously, after four forward speeds, you do NOT need any more in a slushbox. The 5-spd in the Mustang sucked, the Chrysler's is only just better.

Hey, random idea...how about learning how to pick your own gears? Lazy-ass Americans...yes, I said it.

probably 2 percent manuals in trucks ......autos are better for towing ...except the 6t70e