Boston Marathon/JFK Library

[Beagle]

We don't know that yet. He is a suspect on the mend. Now that he's getting healthier, we should get him into a sunny tropical environment (GTMO) for a quick recovery and ask some probing questions.

[Monk]

then disrespected the whole works on April 15 2013, less than a year later.

You got it........

[groucho]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was granted asylum on September 27, 2002, receiving his green card on June 10, 2004. He was granted citizenship September 11, 2012,

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then disrespected the whole works on April 15 2013, less than a year later.

[groucho]

. The largest fail in this case is the fact we were warned about the older brother years ago and did nothing.

I do agree, but I can only guess that our guys get so MANY warnings that it's too hard to know which ones to give priority. I'm just guessing, not trying to make excuses here.

[Monk]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was granted asylum on September 27, 2002, receiving his green card on June 10, 2004. He was granted citizenship September 11, 2012.

Hell they can come check my underwear drawer if it helps keeps this country safe from
shit like what just happened.
I don't have anything to hide.

[bishir]

if Ahmed gets a cavity search because of his name, then it becomes OK to give your car an emissions inspection because it has a loud exhaust - this is a two way street.

Cherry Bomb exhaust is not the same as Mohammad mufflers. . The largest fail in this case is the fact we were warned about the older brother years ago and did nothing.

[dieselgeek]

What we do is simple. Inact policy that makes common sense. If your name is Ahmed and you want in the country fine, but you better damn well be prepared for a cavity search. Stop treating 80 year old grandmothers like they're the next shoe bomber in the airport because the last time they blew up a pressure cooker it was because they were actually cooking food on the stove.

Don't send our troops to engage in a pc friendy "light skirmish.". If its found a country is a state sponsored supporter of terrorism then the first warning is a smart bomb in the president/dictator/imams front window. 2nd offense is their capital, 3rd offense their country becomes the united state's largest refinery and our gas becomes 1.50 per gallon again. If our soldiers must die to fix other countries problems then their children should be able to afford gas and have a growing economy when they get older. It isn't PC but Iraqs oil should be OUR oil right now.

2nd "fix". Realize we can't stop crazies, never have, never will. However, when another country tells us someone is a terrorist and they're trying to become a citizen of our country lets take their word for it, or at the very least look into the matter.

3rd "fix" make those that immigrate here do so because they want to assimilate into our culture. Think "melting pot" though the pc world has been preaching the "tossed salad" idea for sometime. I not taking about "speak English or get out philosophy". I say they must recognize we were founded based upon individual freedoms with inalienable GOD given rights(meaning you're born with it and it can't be legislated away), and a natural distrust and self-reliance free of an overbearing federal goverenment. In other words if you came here for a free ride and to make the US a socialist utopia just like the craphole you left then get out.

That all sounds fine, dandy and simple... but if Ahmed gets a cavity search because of his name, then it becomes OK to give your car an emissions inspection because it has a loud exhaust - this is a two way street.

Right now, it takes a minimum of 15 years to become a legal immigrant in this country. I know because my ex in-laws did it. They know more about the rules and how our political system works than any white national I ever met, because there is a damn difficult test you have to pass. We already make it nearly impossible.

As for "finishing a war" - the point of most wars since Viet Nam is *right in front of our faces* - the point wasn't to finish off "state sponsored terrorists" (after all, which country funded and trained Al Quaeda operatives right up to 9/11?? the good old USA!). Same with Saddam Hussein, he was given money for development that instead went to purchase chemical weapons used on his own people. It's a two way street and, by a lot, nowhere near as simple as implied above.

Without going into further politics, I think the real issue is simply education. We spend a whole lot of time arguing about what, IMO, is stupid and pointless stuff while the real problems here go completely undiscussed.

[Dan Barlow]

Well in my opinion we on this forum have this covered. It's as far as it will go but at least we've vented and spoke our mind and nobody got too offended. I'm done talking about it here. I'm a bit limited.

[bishir]

Agreed in principle. Sooooo......yeah we're all pissed about it in general, but what do we DO? What's the next step? I don't think there IS one. It's popular belief that GW Bush invaded Iraq after 9/11 because he thought the American people needed some sense of action. Maybe because his daddy didn't finish the job to start with. It was a smoking hole, Iraq did not have WMD's. And they had nothing to do with 9/11.

When we saw Colin Powell's PowerPoint show about the WMD's, the PowerPoint show that Congress actually bought into to send our young folks to war...we were watching that on TV and I told Unit, "They don't have anything." It was all so hand drawn and fake. And no, ultimately they didn't have anything. Literally the Iraquis and figuratively the US intelligence folks didn't have anything.

So what do you do?

What we do is simple. Inact policy that makes common sense. If your name is Ahmed and you want in the country fine, but you better damn well be prepared for a cavity search. Stop treating 80 year old grandmothers like they're the next shoe bomber in the airport because the last time they blew up a pressure cooker it was because they were actually cooking food on the stove.

Don't send our troops to engage in a pc friendy "light skirmish.". If its found a country is a state sponsored supporter of terrorism then the first warning is a smart bomb in the president/dictator/imams front window. 2nd offense is their capital, 3rd offense their country becomes the united state's largest refinery and our gas becomes 1.50 per gallon again. If our soldiers must die to fix other countries problems then their children should be able to afford gas and have a growing economy when they get older. It isn't PC but Iraqs oil should be OUR oil right now.

2nd "fix". Realize we can't stop crazies, never have, never will. However, when another country tells us someone is a terrorist and they're trying to become a citizen of our country lets take their word for it, or at the very least look into the matter.

3rd "fix" make those that immigrate here do so because they want to assimilate into our culture. Think "melting pot" though the pc world has been preaching the "tossed salad" idea for sometime. I not taking about "speak English or get out philosophy". I say they must recognize we were founded based upon individual freedoms with inalienable GOD given rights(meaning you're born with it and it can't be legislated away), and a natural distrust and self-reliance free of an overbearing federal goverenment. In other words if you came here for a free ride and to make the US a socialist utopia just like the craphole you left then get out.

[pdub]

What we have to realize as an American people is this: this is never going to go away. We as a nation haven't had the endurance to follow through to completion a real war since world war II . Think about that for a while. we didn't win the koren war....we called it off....we stopped at the 38th .We didn't win Veitnam. We actually ran from there. Didn't even just hold our ground. It's simple. We have to follow threw to completion. And we cannot do it. Under the constant watch of the media we think it's too messy. Then we try to talk it out . yeah with people that cannot be reasoned with. But we think if we try hard enough we can pull it off.

Agreed completely Dan. What will get me banned from here if anything does - if some idiot animals (and yes I said ANIMALS) are bound and determined to fly airplanes into buildings or bomb people celebrating the end of a running marathon.....does fighting a war on foreign soil actually go anywhere toward stopping that?

No, obviously not. By evidence, not. The sorry sons of bitches are already here, riding visas or on permanent "citizenship" or what have ya. They're already here. Religion or no religion or whatever, they're insane and they hate us and they are cowards and want to destroy the culture that is sopporting them while they wait to do damage.

I think I'm done. I think I've spouted enough on this subject. That's just where my head's at. And I don't think my head's alone, or in the wrong place if I'm an American, and I am. Redneck, yeah. American, yeah. Pissed off? Yeah.

[Dan Barlow]

What we have to realize as an American people is this: this is never going to go away. We as a nation haven't had the endurance to follow through to completion a real war since world war II . Think about that for a while. we didn't win the koren war....we called it off....we stopped at the 38th .We didn't win Veitnam. We actually ran from there. Didn't even just hold our ground. It's simple. We have to follow threw to completion. And we cannot do it. Under the constant watch of the media we think it's too messy. Then we try to talk it out . yeah with people that cannot be reasoned with. But we think if we try hard enough we can pull it off.

[pdub]

You think too much

Yeah my friend, that's for sure. I wouldn't wish anybody to be inside this mind of mine. It's loud.

[Monk]

It's not politics, it's the state of the world. Depending on how much we care to focus on it.....but yeah, I still believe that the good folks outnumber the bad by a zilloin percent. But ask the folks in Boston if everything is okay. It's rare, but there.

You think too much

[pdub]

Not my decision........I go about living life.......and I'm not gonna
drag politics into this.

It's not politics, it's the state of the world. Depending on how much we care to focus on it.....but yeah, I still believe that the good folks outnumber the bad by a zilloin percent. But ask the folks in Boston if everything is okay. It's rare, but there.

[Monk]

So, what do you DO? What's the bigger thing, a plan of action?

Not my decision........I go about living life.......and I'm not gonna
drag politics into this.