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  • Russell
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    Originally posted by Mater View Post
    jeez good thing my 97 grand prix never got a vin check they would of found at least 6 different vins from the body panels LOL
    Should be fine as long as they are not hot.

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  • Mater
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    jeez good thing my 97 grand prix never got a vin check they would of found at least 6 different vins from the body panels LOL

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  • Beagle
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    The guys down here building Eleanor replicas, wait, taking money for them, got busted VIN washing. Texas takes a dim view on that. The last I checked a lot of folks got burned on their deposit. I've seen cops compare body part VINs on late models to the VIN on the dashboard. With computers the way they are now, they can find out if the panels are stolen, the car, dang near anything. They'll take the whole car.

    The VIN and title dictate to me what the car is. If you rebody a Camaro, it's still a Camaro. I wonder what Chad's wagon is registered as though.

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  • Scott Liggett
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    Originally posted by NewEnglandRaceFan View Post
    The shape,
    cheezzoom was still thought of as a 57 chevy
    cadzilla was still thought of as a 40's caddy
    a dynacore 69 Camaro body is still a 69 Camaro
    same with the mustang, the chevelle , a Brookfield 32 ford roadster
    and the list goes on.
    The only reason most try to use at least "Part" of an original cars vin's "placement" sheetmetal is because There isn't a standardized law/rule on kit/recreation vehicles for all 50 states, And those that might have laws allowing a recreation to be vin'd, and titled as a model year it "looks" like. STATES have a bad habbit if changing the rules after the fact. and if you're in the middle of a build when they change the "rules" it can kill the project.
    Take here,my state, a FFR Daytona coupe, it gets titled as a recreation/kit car, and the year depends on the engine blocks date code. have a 1970 block, no emissions. drop a mod motor in it ,say from 2012 and it has to pass emissions for a 2012 vehicle. All this seems mighty crazy for the amount of miles "fun" car/trucks log per year.. very few are used daily..
    Cadzilla was actually built from a '49 Caddy two door sedanette, much like SBG's Buick. It was a low mile, near museum piece.

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  • Barry Donovan
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    Originally posted by groucho View Post
    To me, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If it's a repop 69 Camaro or 57 Chev, and the details are true, it's all the same to me. Whether Chevy or Year One made it, it's still a Camaro or 57 Chev. IMO
    I agree.. when demand for popular goes sky high because of rare, its just insane. More kits or ground up, keeps the momentum going.
    Any loopholes at all, have at them.

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  • groucho
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    To me, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If it's a repop 69 Camaro or 57 Chev, and the details are true, it's all the same to me. Whether Chevy or Year One made it, it's still a Camaro or 57 Chev. IMO
    Originally posted by Russell View Post
    Now that you can buy new nearly ever part to build a '69 camaro from scratch. There are "restos" that look like they replace 85+% of the sheet metal. Is it really an XYZ car or is it a Year One? What part makes a car a car, the Frame? unibody? firewall? roof? or is the VIN number all that counts? What part or how much of the orignal car is needed to still say its it that car?
    Last edited by groucho; September 10, 2013, 02:40 PM.

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  • Mater
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    Originally posted by Russell View Post
    If you do that in NC I am pretty sure you have to meet 2013 epa standard, and have to past the yearly OBD2 inspection. Its been awhile, NC did have some stuff on Kit Cars can not remember what the rules where.
    i live in michigan i could put 83 VW diesel in a radial flyer and tape to flash lights to the front and it would be legal LOL

    not really but it's really easy to get a kit car registered just need all the emission equipment form the doner engine last i looked and needs fully functioning lights and seat belts air bags are optional
    Last edited by Mater; September 10, 2013, 01:33 PM.

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  • Deaf Bob
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    My 78 Trans Am was bought from a wrecking yard in the 90's it has a salvage/rebuilder title and the year reflects that..
    Nothing was removed or changed..
    Luckily I do not have to smog my cars/trucks!

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  • NewEnglandRaceFan
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    The shape,
    cheezzoom was still thought of as a 57 chevy
    cadzilla was still thought of as a 40's caddy
    a dynacore 69 Camaro body is still a 69 Camaro
    same with the mustang, the chevelle , a Brookfield 32 ford roadster
    and the list goes on.
    The only reason most try to use at least "Part" of an original cars vin's "placement" sheetmetal is because There isn't a standardized law/rule on kit/recreation vehicles for all 50 states, And those that might have laws allowing a recreation to be vin'd, and titled as a model year it "looks" like. STATES have a bad habbit if changing the rules after the fact. and if you're in the middle of a build when they change the "rules" it can kill the project.
    Take here,my state, a FFR Daytona coupe, it gets titled as a recreation/kit car, and the year depends on the engine blocks date code. have a 1970 block, no emissions. drop a mod motor in it ,say from 2012 and it has to pass emissions for a 2012 vehicle. All this seems mighty crazy for the amount of miles "fun" car/trucks log per year.. very few are used daily..

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  • Scott Liggett
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    Originally posted by 68scott385 View Post
    Didn't this topic bite Boyd Coddington in the buttocks when he tried to register some of his highly modified creations as older cars.
    Yes. He was going to Arizona to register scratch built cars as their model year appearance. Cali's laws then said if was built in 2013, it had to have all the 2013's emissions and safety features. Cali took offense to him skirting the laws. He was lucky not to go to jail. Many states get pissy if you start messing around with VINs in any way. Now, Cali has a new law that allows a certain number of cars per year, i.e. kit cars and scratch builds, to be registered as the model year they appear. They keep it at a particular number to keep out of state builders from taking advantage of the law.

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  • Russell
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    Originally posted by STINEY View Post
    Neat car....where can I find more build details on it?
    Not sure
    They ran it a the Maxton Mile and got ink in HOTROD

    http://www.hotrod.com/top_speed_chal...eed_challenge/

    Andrew Nelson and family built this VW-based whatchamacallit for dirt cheap to race in the Grassroots Motorsports magazine $2009 and $2010 Challenges, and with a 400-based engine it ran 10.82 at 123 in the quarter. At Maxton, with a destroked 265 small-block, it made it half a mile before the Powerglide scattered into a hundred itty-bitty, oily pieces.


    Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/top_speed_chal...#ixzz2eVyRlsqH

    I talked to them at Maxton they have a very cool build Book but I dont know about online.
    Last edited by Russell; September 10, 2013, 11:22 AM.

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  • 68scott385
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    Didn't this topic bite Boyd Coddington in the buttocks when he tried to register some of his highly modified creations as older cars.

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  • Russell
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    Originally posted by Mater View Post
    if the vin is original then it is a 69 if it does not have a 69 vin but a state issued or what ever then it is a (insert year the state vin says) 69 camaro

    so if you where to register it today it would be a 2013 1969 camaro. me and my uncle have actually thought of doing this build a brand new 69 camaro as there is enough parts to do so just some small trim and badges and interior parts are not being repopped
    If you do that in NC I am pretty sure you have to meet 2013 epa standard, and have to past the yearly OBD2 inspection. Its been awhile, NC did have some stuff on Kit Cars can not remember what the rules where.

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  • Mater
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    if the vin is original then it is a 69 if it does not have a 69 vin but a state issued or what ever then it is a (insert year the state vin says) 69 camaro

    so if you where to register it today it would be a 2013 1969 camaro. me and my uncle have actually thought of doing this build a brand new 69 camaro as there is enough parts to do so just some small trim and badges and interior parts are not being repopped

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  • STINEY
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    Neat car....where can I find more build details on it?

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