An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

[shaun callaway]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

then you didnt look good enough

[Freiburger]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

Not always.

[shaun callaway]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

you can always fin a stripped down model

[ecniv]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

really do you need the dvd and nav system

the heated and cooled seat.

man you really do depend on your car to entertain you.

I think he was just illustrating the point. Also, even if you DON'T want all that stuff, it's hard to find a vehicle on the lot that doesn't have all that excess stuff installed. Dealers make huge profit margins on the higher content vehicles, so they keep those around. Most people don't want to order a car, so they buy what they can find on a lot.

[shaun callaway]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

really do you need the dvd and nav system

the heated and cooled seat.

man you really do depend on your car to entertain you.

[milner351]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

What have we learned in 20 freaking years?

We've learned that the basic laws of physics still apply.

With every advancement in fuel economy
(decel fuel shut off, internal EGR, variable valve timing, AT's with more gears, etc.)

We have an advancement in safety content and features that add weight and undo most of the fuel economy gains

How many cars 20 years ago would pass today's 5 star crash rating?
How many came with heated and cooled seats?
How many had front and side curtain airbags?
How about a DVD player in the second row and a 6 dish changer in the dash along with navigation and a touch screen?

All these features are cool and safe, but they add plenty of weight, and at the end of the day if you want to accelerate more mass more quickly it's going to take more energy.

Until there are revolutionary changes in the strength / weight of materials, or to the internal combustion engine - there's only so much more that can be done about fuel economy as we know it.

One area that seems to be getting better is tires - Michelin especially seems to be making very low rolling resistance tires now that also meet the traction, breaking, and noise requirements.

[Aircooled]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

- what have we learned in twenty freaking years?

Oh!, Oh!, I know this one!!!!
We have learned how a 1000lbs of safety and luxury equipment can wipeout 20 years worth of powertrain efficiency improvements.

[shaun callaway]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

it was a guess brian

as i staed im guessing hmmm i will leav it at that.

[Brian Lohnes]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

im guessing most of you here support the bailout aswell.

How are you making that leap Shaun?

Brian

[TC]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

im guessing most of you here support the bailout aswell.

That would not be me. :

[TC]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

it is what it is i guess.

c'mon man, make the argument that nobody's brought up yet. Why did they show you a 4.7/5spd Tundra mpg when the 380 hp 5.7/6spd gets MUCH better mileage. ?

:|

OMG - did I just defend an import?

No your not defending it at all, the Tundra gets the same mileage as the Titan, SAD . The fact is GM cars just get better fuel economy. I mean facts are facts. But that doesn't mean you got to like them.

But then why wouldn't you??

[shaun callaway]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

im guessing most of you here support the bailout aswell.

[shaun callaway]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

like i said it is what it is.

[shaun callaway]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

it is what it is i guess.

[VTJUNK]

Re: An overview of mpg, domestic vs import. USA wins.

(plus i go to the gym unlike most americans who sit at home and eat in front of the tv).

Come on guys, don't drag my TV in to this! LOL