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  • #31
    Re: Taiwan Chrome

    Originally posted by shaun callaway
    this is interesting.

    i also worked for spectre (i was the tech support/customer service guy there). if you would have called and stated that you had a problem with this product i would have sent you out a new one at no charge and also had you send the other one back so we would have been able to improve the product. i am not going to sit here and defend the company because i no longer work for them.

    one question where are all your electronics made at?
    Which electronics? Car, home?

    I've got no problems with companies trying to make a profit. I do however have a problem with business practices today. It seems CEO's do not care about anything but the next fiscal quarter. When China became an option for companies to outsource their manufacturing; they jumped on it in hordes. The companies met with Chinese manufacturing companies, made a deal, and then sent the specs for their products. That is where they made a huge mistake. They didn't set up any kind of quality control. Most likely they were promised such by their Chinese counterparts who either didn't do any or have a major difference in what they believe is quality. They didn't even keep a company representative there to make sure of there quality is being maintained. Money blinds people and I imagine the companies were blinded by the increase in profit per unit due the dramatic decrease in manufacturing costs.

    When products starting returning in mass numbers and the companies reputations being damaged in the process; some began to see their mistakes. But many waited until the damage to their reps may be irreversable. Mattel is starting to learn that. If they survive at all, it will take decades to rebuild their reputation and sales.

    If you watch the History Channel at all and watch those shows about old American companies manufacturing things; you'll see where they remove a certain number of products from the line and test them daily to make sure they are sending out quality products. The Japanese still do this with most of there products. Pride of their craftsmanship was paramount. Now it's profit. It used to be that your biggest selling was repeat customers and word of mouth, now it's big sales and discounts.
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    • #32
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      Hey, you can buy GARBAGE anywhere. But, the shear numbers of it from overseas is staggering. Sure, there's crap made here. But, you have to look for it. Overseas has some decent stuff. But, you have to LOOK for that. What I'm saying is, the ratio good/bad is reversed from here to over there. That's my take, and I'm sticking to it. As far as electronics, I don't think that's the area of discussion here. Oh, and once I bought a Chinese thermostat housing for a 66 Mustang. The "bulb" was so big I could NOT get a socket on the 2 bolts! ####ing try the bitch before selling it to us! Whether it's the manufacturer, or the importer, try the sonofabitch before putting it on the shelves to be sold you jackasses
      Originally posted by dieselgeek
      Originally posted by Groucho
      THAT'S my dog!
      Originally posted by squirrel
      Now wait a minute! You admit that there are asian companies that make pure crap and try to sell it here, and somehow it's our fault if we buy what they make?

      Yet there don't seem to be any American companies making equivalent crap here.

      lol

      Half correct.

      I'd like to ask you about your comment that there is no "equivalent crap" made here. In my experience, *especially* with the automotive aftermarket, quality control on go-fast parts we purchase is HORRIBLE !!! Are you and groucho *really* trying to say that a purchase of a part that is "domestically" made, means there can't be any quality issues with it??? : seriously...


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      • #33
        Re: Taiwan Chrome

        O-ring or not, those chrome water necks are shit. I think you can see coolant dripping out of them in the blister pack.

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        • #34
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          Try some of the cheaper Chevy Rally wheel center caps!!! >


          Even with 10 coats of "nuclear poly-moly teflon sealant wax",

          these critters will begin to exhibit "flash" rust in 3-4 days!! ------------------ >

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          • #35
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            Sounds like the air cleaner on my Caprice.
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            • #36
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              Sent your thank you's to the E.P.A.,and C.A.R.B.As I stated before,chrome plating shop's here in California are becomming extinct.
              Calypornya...near the beach

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              • #37
                Re: Taiwan Chrome

                So, without the demands of the EPA, why does overseas chrome suck the big wahoon?
                Originally posted by HEMI
                Sent your thank you's to the E.P.A.,and C.A.R.B.As I stated before,chrome plating shop's here in California are becomming extinct.

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                • #38
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                  Whew, this thread is gettin' HOT !!!
                  ;)

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                  • #39
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                    I can't start on this rant because I won't stop.

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                    • #40
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                      Uh, I theenk you just started Boss
                      Originally posted by Freiburger
                      I can't start on this rant because I won't stop.

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                      • #41
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                        Three simple words ladies and gentleman, three simple words:


                        Free market economy


                        Simply put, buyer and seller set the prices of goods without coercion from an outside force. Therefore the incentive on behalf of a manufacturer is to produce their product at the high quality and low cost. Because of the cost of raw materials and labor in this country the job of manufacturing the product is farmed out. Diesel Geek is right. We're victims of our own spending habits. If enough people buy crap, than the industry standard becomes crap because it sells and it's cheap to make.

                        Be an educated consumer if you want to buck the trend and ask the questions you want answers to when buying parts.

                        Brian
                        That which you manifest is before you.

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by Rebeldryver


                          Sounds like the

                          air cleaner

                          on my Caprice.
                          Yep!!

                          Got a 14" open-element repro air cleaner

                          and a set of BBC (stock-appearing) valve covers

                          from Year One doing the same thing!! --------------------------- >

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                          • #43
                            Re: Taiwan Chrome

                            Originally posted by Groucho
                            So, without the demands of the EPA, why does overseas chrome suck the big wahoon?
                            Cheapness....plain and simple. Most of the chrome stuff is made to appeal to those folks who like shiny stuff, so all they do is make it shiny...they don't bother with the copper or even the nickel.
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                            • #44
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                              I bought a new repro V8 emblem for the grille of my 53 Ford truck , in just 4 years it is pitted worse than the orginal was after 50 years. And that's after being kept clean.

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                              • #45
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                                Quality engineering is not the practice of ensuring the best quality possible. it is the practice of deliberately engineering a product to last only as long as needed. sadly given the "racing" purpose of most of the aftermarket performance parts we use, the desired lifespan of them is simply viewed as just enough to sell them. they arent made to hold up, they are made to look good enough to get off the shelf, then it is "sorry, that is a race car part, no warranty, too bad.........." or at best "send it back to the manufacturer, we dont do any warranty here".

                                i like "made in the usa", and in general "made in english speaking countries". BUT they dont view it any differently. they still make their junk just as cheap as possible.

                                a buddy of mine recently came in from iraq, while he was in we dropped a 383 into his elcamino, i swear we had to modify about 90% of all the parts we installed onto that damn car, even the ludicrously expensive Edelbrock small block serpentine water pump didnt fit the application it was supposedly made for, we had to grind off about 1/8" of metal from each side of it because it interfered with the STOCK camaro serpentine bracketry we were using, required modification out of the box!, then it had only one set of holes and the damn things were metric! try finding the right bolts to put a 2.5" spacer and flex fan at 8pm on saturday night (advance auto parts thank god).

                                the yella terra rocker arms i have on my camaro, claim to be for dart big-m heads, but dart aluminum heads require a longer rocker stud/bolt on the exhaust side, well the bolts supplied are fine for the intake side, but the ones supplied for the exhaust are too short by 3/4", had to go buy the right legnth bolts and grind down the heads to fit properly. "but its cheaper that way"


                                it never stopped, it seemed like everything had to be modified, headers, throttle bracket, water pump, fan spacer (universal my ass), balancer was shorter than stock (what the hell, wouldnt it cost me less to buy the properly made part than to have to hunt down a pulley spacer?), didnt i mention that once it is modified it is yours forever?

                                my 400$ MSD DISTRIBUTOR came with the wrong o-rings for sealing around the oil galley, when i called summit and asked about it, i got bs'd and told i must be mistaken, then was told msd would drop ship the right stuff to me, but i never saw them. i looked, i guess autotronic controls wants to rape me for 11$ because that is what they sell the correct o-rings for.


                                cant they just make the parts correctly the first time? they wont, they dont have to, we keep buying that crap anyway, because places like my only local speed shop will not accept ANY RETURNS unless they are still in the original packaging, and looking perfect, even if they sell you the wrong parts and it is their mistake, too bad its yours now.

                                true quality went out the window when universities started teaching hardcore bean counter logic to business students, and stopped emphasizing the pitfalls of false economy. yes it is cheaper to make this part shoddy, and you will make 10 cents more on it today, but next month when the customer needs something else you make, he sure as hell aint gonna buy it from you.

                                reputation is the only thing to motivate a manufacturer to deliver a quality product, but anymore i dont think that means much to anyone. try getting on the phone to edelbrock, take your geritol first, youre gonna need it, same thing with ARP, better take a day of vacation from work. they are pretty much the only game in town for what they sell (not totally, but almost) they dont give a damn if you are happy or not, because if you wanna play, you are most likely gonna pay THEM.

                                this trend isnt limited to just hot rodding, it is spreading rapidly in other "captive" markets, the airlines being a big example. what passneger ever told an airline they would rather starve on the trip across the country? they didnt eliminate meals from flights to remain competitive, they did it to INCREASE profits! meanwhile passengers are threatened with prison time if they complain about the crappy service, or lack thereof.


                                wow, i am kind of dizzy this high up on my soap box.
                                huey

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