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  • Barry Donovan
    No Life Outside BangShift.com
    • Jul 2009
    • 16925
    #1

    A unique category

    I learned it was up to me to get the class for my tin can correct, and then they approve or not.

    I am still bewildered by a group of engines put together..the biggest displacement with least weight is a given winner without even racing.

    I further thought of this and saw this drag race:

    12000 rpm nova.
    10.5 pounds per cubic inch. The weight of the vehicle in relation to cubic inch.

    That made sense to me in the landspeed subject.

    my own buggy is a world record, but the category is going to keep burying it.


    27.7 pounds per cubic inch, ten geared AWD...limited to 130mph.

    It is a boxer of course, nothing else comes close.

    I am wondering if these things were thought of elsewhere...
    not exactly tied down, organizing the cars.

    maybe keep all as is, but a record written has to dig into more details.

    example: the g/pro record (little engines.) Say one is faster, but the really heavy one ends up winning with the ratio.

    real facts for power...and real production mind you. I have seen what gets away with a "pro" tag and it sucks. Some don't even look factory.
    Last edited by Barry Donovan; July 12, 2013, 01:20 PM.
    Previously boxer3main
    the death rate and fairy tales cannot kill the nature left behind.
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    • DanStokes
      Ancient LSR Guy
      • Oct 2007
      • 28347
      #2
      Not a good way to catagorize LSR vehicles. Weight really doesn't matter - though it does in drag racing. When the guys told me thins I thought they MUST be wrong but then I stripped probably 600-800 lbs from the Camaro - speed difference, 0.0000 mph. Guys actually ADD weight depending on the venue and track conditions. Remember, weight matters when you're trying to accelerate a mass but has little to no effect in maintaining that mass at a given speed.

      In LSR "PRO" means Production and refers to the body. Other than that the drivetrain can be about anything that was available in that body, as long as the castings (block, etc.) have the same architecture as the original stuff and you claim the ACTUAL displacement. Over the years this has proven to be the best way to divide classes.

      Dan

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        • Barry Donovan
          No Life Outside BangShift.com
          • Jul 2009
          • 16925
          #3
          Originally posted by DanStokes View Post
          Not a good way to catagorize LSR vehicles. Weight really doesn't matter - though it does in drag racing. When the guys told me thins I thought they MUST be wrong but then I stripped probably 600-800 lbs from the Camaro - speed difference, 0.0000 mph. Guys actually ADD weight depending on the venue and track conditions. Remember, weight matters when you're trying to accelerate a mass but has little to no effect in maintaining that mass at a given speed.

          In LSR "PRO" means Production and refers to the body. Other than that the drivetrain can be about anything that was available in that body, as long as the castings (block, etc.) have the same architecture as the original stuff and you claim the ACTUAL displacement. Over the years this has proven to be the best way to divide classes.

          Dan
          inline fours die with weight. The weight theory is wrong even if they had ten miles. they die to a torque needed.

          This is frustrating. A daily driver for a quarter century 1000 pounds heavier and still faster without the crack sprite 100 yard turbo..

          very frustrating.

          My brother was telling me dad had the rig up to 105, loaded (40 ton).. he does not do that stuff around me. Does a honda civic engine do 105 empty?

          which one is the winner?

          I guess I stay back as a fan of landspeed, not enough facts to nail a world record.
          Previously boxer3main
          the death rate and fairy tales cannot kill the nature left behind.

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            • Beagle
              "Flounder"
              • Apr 2011
              • 13804
              #4
              Dan's giving you the straight poop. It seems counter-intuitive but he's not the only guy who will tell you that.

              As for the inline fours, Jana's 89 Honda Accord had a 2.2 liter inline four and no problem hitting 125. I was *SHOCKED* at the time. I'm sure the new Civics with much more HP will probably go much faster than that, but they weigh more (by a metric shit ton) than a 89 Accord did.

              I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the LSR archive here Turk and DF will tell you how much weight they put in the So-Al special to get it to stabilize. The car has to stay on the ground to use the HP it has... ask Chad about how much it costs to clean the racing suit when you go through the traps backwards.

              If I were sweating LSR I would spend most of my time worrying about aerodynamics and gearing. Keeping the motor of whatever size in an RPM range where it makes enough power to overcome aerodynamic drag would be my primary focus for the gears, and of course, reducing drag is the Money.
              Last edited by Beagle; July 14, 2013, 06:04 AM.
              Flying south, with a flock of bird dogs.

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                • Barry Donovan
                  No Life Outside BangShift.com
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 16925
                  #5
                  alot of 300 pound cars do 125...the inline fours just needs 1100 cfm for each cylinder.

                  I did find the street category, I could have fun for my own purpose.. a lot cheaper to run as well.

                  The rest is a perfect curse.

                  fake history meets a real truth somehow.
                  Previously boxer3main
                  the death rate and fairy tales cannot kill the nature left behind.

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                    • Beagle
                      "Flounder"
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 13804
                      #6
                      I think the Honda was about 2800 pounds, roughly 400 pounds more than my Vega which wouldn't hit 100 mph, which was about 30 mph faster than my Boxer powered car that was 1800 pounds. (VW)

                      I'd do it for the fun, that record chasing stuff really kind of needs a dedicated car for most classes. I'm still considering a 45 cid class.
                      Flying south, with a flock of bird dogs.

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                        • Barry Donovan
                          No Life Outside BangShift.com
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 16925
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Beagle View Post
                          I think the Honda was about 2800 pounds, roughly 400 pounds more than my Vega which wouldn't hit 100 mph, which was about 30 mph faster than my Boxer powered car that was 1800 pounds. (VW)

                          I'd do it for the fun, that record chasing stuff really kind of needs a dedicated car for most classes. I'm still considering a 45 cid class.
                          it is funny to run the biggest four cyl in the slowest means possible.

                          my own is over 3000 for sure, and I limit it to 130.
                          I actually raised the hairs on my own neck realizing my time in the trench to fix this has crossed the lines of not been there done that.
                          the intake damper is like a jake brake...a danger without.

                          I ponder big brakes, but loring has a very long slow down...and modern parts are not like 1987 anymore at all. I stay confident.
                          For road use, no more than 90 (and that does happen realistically- many miles).

                          I do crap on crazy little engines, today the tragedy at loring..
                          RIP Bill Warner.

                          he did set one more record yesterday.

                          Scary stuff.

                          I commented on that bike two years ago, no regrets.. something terrible came true.

                          local news article
                          Last edited by Barry Donovan; July 14, 2013, 11:29 AM.
                          Previously boxer3main
                          the death rate and fairy tales cannot kill the nature left behind.

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                            • Dan Barlow
                              ZF6 Bangshifter
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 10533
                              #8
                              Barry are you sure he's dead, the articial said when the emergency crew got to him he was awake and talking.
                              Previously HoosierL98GTA

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                                • DanStokes
                                  Ancient LSR Guy
                                  • Oct 2007
                                  • 28347
                                  #9
                                  Dan, I'm sad to say that the headline says he's dead. I'm really bummed.

                                  Dan

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                                    • Beagle
                                      "Flounder"
                                      • Apr 2011
                                      • 13804
                                      #10
                                      the article says -

                                      Bill Flagg, a spokesman for the hospital, confirmed Sunday afternoon that Warner had died from his injuries at 11:15 a.m. The announcement was delayed until Warner’s family could be notified, Flagg said.

                                      and that sucks royally. RIP Bill Warner.
                                      Flying south, with a flock of bird dogs.

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