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  • Fordplay0621
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    As Dynoroom Said about the Temp. I lowered the underhood Temp of my car nearly 40 degrees, and I picked up nearly 5 MPH. If your running a turbo then you might shoot CO2 thru the Intercooler (not in). Might get a little out of it. I am trying to make a spacer out of phenolic to keep my intake cooler. Phenolic will not transfer heat from the head to the intake runners. I expect it to be quite a bit cooler. Now I'm looking at the effects of changing the intake runners. It is a visicious cycle. This is why we do it.

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  • greenjunk
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    Its obd1 stock pcm and harness. still has the maf so it can idle around the pits without trouble in any weather. it maxes it out at well anything off idle.
    A guy i used to work for did the tuning. Jeff Creech, carolina auto master. Great tuner when he can stay focused, but is very bi-polar so hes made a lot of enemies. great guy away from the job, not a good guy to work for.

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  • dieselgeek
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    BAD ASS!

    That was with a stock PCM? who did the tuning on that?

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  • greenjunk
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    ever seen the episode of pinks with the red civic whiner and the maroon t/a...
    Its the t/a.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z11oBZdlPPM

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  • dieselgeek
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    jeebus - you got any youtube videos of this crazy car?!?

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  • greenjunk
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    geek i agree, There of course is a point where adding more timing will only blow your junk up. But in general on a pump gas engine we could add 5* of timing and make 100 more rwhp over an air to air only setup. our lt1 race car would make 22lbs on a 396 small block. with no air to air and a dual nozzle alky setup with c16 we were running 36* of timing with no detonation, oh i forgot to mention the 125 shot of nitrous on top of that ;D. it was badder asser

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  • dieselgeek
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    Don Julio is the man, we ran prototypes of his kits on the turbo truck a few years back. We helped him develop the progressive controller. He was one of few guys back then who wouldn't give us crap about running a megasquirt (unlike a lot of other "bigname" guys)...

    as for the timing advance. It's not always the case that "more timing means more power" - the whole issue with timing is that you want to have peak cylinder pressure happen around 5 degrees ATDC, and you want the pressure to stay hig as long as possible after that, pushing down on the piston. So if the water or alky injection helps you achieve that goal (ballpark) then yes, it'll make more power and can be more efficient (less pedal, as stated above) - but just make sure we're not thinking that "the more timing I can run, the more power I can make" - it's a lot more complicated than that. Banks, Volvo, and the Megasquirt guys who have run pressure sensors inside the combustion chamber, and have tested different fuels while monitoring that pressure, have released some good information on the subject.

    It's the same reason there's no need to go with higher octane in the quest for "more power"

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  • greenjunk
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    what i can say is that alky injection works extremely well on blown applications. By running it we were able to see 20hp per degree of timing added. That is substantial. Be careful though there are a lot of crappy kits that malfunction all the time. The only kit I trust is the alkycontrol stuff. Julio is the bomb, hands down.

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  • 2bbl318
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    Not sure if this on topic or not, but my dad ( who doesn't hate third party information sharing? ) once told me about someone he knew back when who put water injection on his car as it was supposed to improve mileage...? We both decided it sounded pretty hokey, but regardless, I'm very intrigued. On further reflection, it would at least in theory allow more timing advance, and possibly less pedal, (?) resulting in less fuel usage? Maybe I'm way off

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  • dieselgeek
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    I'm kinda with greenjunk on this one. I know it'll work in theory, but it woudl first require that you have incredibly hot ambient temps...

    Usually, when I observe the bonneville guys who spend 8 billion hours optimizing an intake or being overly super anal about one particular aspect of "making power" - I also see them missing something else totally obvious and as a result, they're still not the fastest. One example of an exception would be Dynoroom, however. He seems to have common sense PLUS the knack for crazy detailed engineering...

    but for some entertaining reading, check out the landracing.com forums where guys will get into fistfights over intake manifold designs (while totally missing the boat on totally basic stuff elsewhere on their combo)

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  • greenjunk
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    If you're going through all that trouble, instead of running gas class you should run fuel class, and run alky, instead of water, then you can really add timing.

    The thing is I still want to see proof that it works on an n/a motor, and that its worth the setup. All these are examples of boosted applications.

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  • YELLA BRICK
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    The history of water injection....

    http://www.kennedysdynotune.com/wate...er%20Injection

    http://www.driven2modify.com/archive...p/t-11025.html

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  • KeithTurk
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    evaporative cooling is something I've always found interesting... I've never played with water injection but I've heard all kinds of good things about it...

    any truth out there?

    K

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  • greenjunk
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    i'm not a chemist but when you get a water leak in the intake you don't suddenly get a hp boost.

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  • DanStokes
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    Dave - Remember, N2O doesn't burn, either. It supports combustion and cools the incoming charge. I'm wondering how close H2O comes to that function. No answers - just a question.

    Dan

    Originally posted by greenjunk
    I don't understand why you would put something in the combustion chamber that doesn't burn?,
    Dynoroom, how much lower than ambient can you get it?

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