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**Beagle** · October 12, 2015, 05:33 PM

Neat!

He may want to start looking into a Tremec, the T5 and a 347 may not play nice for very long if he's got traction and a heavy foot. Who knows... some folks don't have problems with them, some folks can break them with a stock 302. Those second set of folks could also bust a bowling ball in a sandbox.

**DanStokes** · October 12, 2015, 07:26 PM

That reminds me.....

Dick would like long tube headers on it if possible. What's on there now looks more or less like factory Mustang tube headers or maybe some aftermarket shorties - we've looked in the paperwork from the original build and while a vendor is mentioned no maker is noted though they seem to be maybe S&S.

So - any leads on block-hugger style long tubes? They'll need to fit really tight on the right side though surprisingly the left seems to clear pretty well even with the steering shaft.

The trans is a Super Tsomethingorother (can't pull that up right now) and was JUST installed. Supposed to be much stouter than the T5. We'll likely go with a scattershield as well as SFI flywheel so he can go racing if the spirit moves him.

Should be a fun build.

Dan

**Shelty** · October 12, 2015, 08:58 PM

this is going to be neat. I like these old wagons, and they are awesome with 5.0s in them

I cant think of any long tubes that would really hug the block like you want. Im sure you could modify a set of headers that would fit. or even notch the frame and box it to make some clearance. Though some good shorty headers would be good for it, and not cook the starter. I had some equal length Mac shortys on my old fox and they were a good addition to the car. It would probably be easier to work around everything with the shorties too. the stock headers were not a bad design, just really small tubing.

**squirrel** · October 12, 2015, 09:22 PM

Long tube headers need to be made to fit the car....the odds of something for another car fitting the Volvo are pretty slim.

**Beagle** · October 12, 2015, 10:05 PM

Agree ^ ... but if Fox shorties fit, MAC makes a 1 3/4" Fox shorty. At that horsepower level, I would be ditching the 1 1/2 or 1 5/8 stocker type.

**DanStokes** · October 13, 2015, 05:36 AM

I'm pretty sure what's on the current engine is from S&S which evidently is out of business. A agree that the current tube size is a bit tight for this engine, probably 1 5/8" though I can't get in and measure them yet (too much stuff in the way). My guess is that the (we'll call them) S&S are Fox body - I found a PN in the paperwork but with S&S being gone there's no way to check that PN or even call and ask for info. It would really help to know for sure the application for the existing headers.

I'm not expecting anything to fit right out of the box. I'm guessing I'll start with maybe Fox-body headers in SS and modify them (probably with pie-cuts as I'm imagining it) and weld them back together for a semi-custom fit. Again, the tightest-to-the-block header as made will help here. Wondering if the SN95's are tighter than the Fox style.

BTW - the heads are drilled and tapped for two different header bolt patterns. Why?

Thanks all for your input!

Dan

**SuperBuickGuy** · October 13, 2015, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by squirrel View Post

Long tube headers need to be made to fit the car....the odds of something for another car fitting the Volvo are pretty slim.

block-hugging, slim?!!! you are a punny man, Squirrel.

I agree, also, with the guy who has broken many bowling balls - that T5, without some upgrades, could have some issues because the Volvo is a heavy, heavy car....

**BangShiftChad** · October 13, 2015, 07:50 AM

I'm in love with this thing Dan. I don't know why, but these square Volvos have always seemed cool to me. More the wagons than the rest, but still I can relate to all of them. The wagons though have always seemed right with all the engine swap options. I being the Chevrolet guy would probably roll with an LS, but I'm not going to judge you guyys on that one. This thing is cool. And how much fun would it be leaving the country club and passing some douchebag in his BMW or whatever.

Keep photos coming. Lots of them. I'll be using this one as a blog item on the site.

Chad

**DanStokes** · October 13, 2015, 08:16 AM

10-4 Chad! It IS a pretty cool deal (did you notice all 3 pedals?)! I get to have a project on someone else's money! Dick is a good friend and I'm happy to take this one on.

The original swap was done years ago using (mostly) a Ross Converse kit - he's no longer in business. Dick had the swap done for him as he's NOT a mechanic-type guy.

I'll keep you posted.

Dan

**Beagle** · October 13, 2015, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by DanStokes View Post

I'm pretty sure what's on the current engine is from S&S which evidently is out of business. A agree that the current tube size is a bit tight for this engine, probably 1 5/8" though I can't get in and measure them yet (too much stuff in the way). My guess is that the (we'll call them) S&S are Fox body - I found a PN in the paperwork but with S&S being gone there's no way to check that PN or even call and ask for info. It would really help to know for sure the application for the existing headers.

I'm not expecting anything to fit right out of the box. I'm guessing I'll start with maybe Fox-body headers in SS and modify them (probably with pie-cuts as I'm imagining it) and weld them back together for a semi-custom fit. Again, the tightest-to-the-block header as made will help here. Wondering if the SN95's are tighter than the Fox style.

BTW - the heads are drilled and tapped for two different header bolt patterns. Why?

Thanks all for your input!

Dan

from what I've seen, it's for bigger, rounder tube sizes -there's not much meat left on stock flange after a larger port exit is cut and rounder is more CSA. The tubes get into the flange area and have to be necked down terribly to fit a stock bolt flange and not much room to make the port taller. I didn't check on the MAC headers, they may already need the wider pattern. I'm guessing they are side to side wider and not one set diagonal and one set horizontal?

If I had to start with something out of the box, I might be inclined to check with Crites about their return policy and see if their early Falcon long tubes for a Windsor would work. Falcon / early Mustang shock towers are horribly intrusive so the headers have to fit pretty snug.

when you say S&S, my mind goes Harley Davidson immediately, and that sure won't work. Lol. S&S Headers appears to be still in business though. If you want to post up the part number I bet we can find out something about them?

**DanStokes** · October 13, 2015, 11:44 AM

Thanks Beags! I just went out and harvested what I think is the PN - it's 5100. I haven't Googled for it yet.

I called BBK but they didn't seem to have much info to share and the folks at MAC weren't awake yet when I called - I'll try again shortly.

EDIT: I just got off the phone with Tremec and the trans is a World Class T5. It's rated at 300 ft/lb (or lb/ft, take your pick) so we'll have to think about the next step. They have a TKO rated at 500 or 600 depending on the option you choose so that's an possibility. We'll have to mull this over. Better to make that choice now before we get a scattershield.

Dan

**Beagle** · October 13, 2015, 12:33 PM

S&S shows up on the site: http://ns1.webincome.com/pickup.htm

The part number 5100 shows the following fitments:

FORD
23-56	1 5/8" Windsor / Shorty	5100
64-73 2x4	1 5/8" Windsor / Shorty	5100

Might be worth a phone call to see if they're still open?

It _may_ live with a T5 if he's reasonably careful and doesn't miss third on a full throttle upshift (ever). Slicks and 5000 rpm clutch drops in first, I'm not so hopeful for it.

Good call on the bell. TKO should use a Toploader or SROD style bellhousing if he's got a cable clutch like a Fox does. The clutch spline count is different as well as the output shaft.

If he grenades the T5, G-Force has all kinds upgrades for it. Tough call.

**DanStokes** · October 13, 2015, 01:16 PM

That S&S phone number is NOT valid - it rings to "Home and Family Services" or something like that. Still it's great to know the original application so I have a place to start digging. So big Ford small block sounds like a starting point. Any opinions on tri-ys? Doug's makes some tri-y's for Falcons, Fairlanes, and Galaxies that seem like possibilities. I just don't have a handle on how they impact power. Gotta be better than the shorties anyhow.

I don't see any slicks in the Volvo's future - but a slight possibility of drag radials. It's more likely to run LSR so burnouts shouldn't be too big a deal except on the public highways. The little tars (NC) on there won't put up much of a fight for sure.

It does use a cable clutch that seems to be reasonably smooth though I think I might need to add a zerk to the cross shaft as it's currently a bit noisy.

Please keep the ideas coming. We want to make it a really nice car.

Dan

**Scott Liggett** · October 13, 2015, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Beagle View Post

S&S shows up on the site: http://ns1.webincome.com/pickup.htm

The part number 5100 shows the following fitments:

FORD
23-56	1 5/8" Windsor / Shorty	5100
64-73 2x4	1 5/8" Windsor / Shorty	5100

Might be worth a phone call to see if they're still open?

It _may_ live with a T5 if he's reasonably careful and doesn't miss third on a full throttle upshift (ever). Slicks and 5000 rpm clutch drops in first, I'm not so hopeful for it.

Good call on the bell. TKO should use a Toploader or SROD style bellhousing if he's got a cable clutch like a Fox does. The clutch spline count is different as well as the output shaft.

If he grenades the T5, G-Force has all kinds upgrades for it. Tough call.

I have seen those go Kaboom! with stock Z/28's.

Dan, the trans will live if doesn't try to shift like Grumpy Jenkins.

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