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  • bigdog9191999
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    hey time for one of those glacial updates! finally getting a title for it! ( got it without one) guess it is a good thing I was not in a hurry with it.. only took 7 years! lol


    to clarify it took me 7 years.. not them!
    Last edited by bigdog9191999; January 15, 2017, 01:49 PM.

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  • bigdog9191999
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    so how many actually noticed the purchase price?? I would hate to guess how much I have in this thing!! lol

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  • JeepSpark
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    Way cool. Trying to land a J4000 that is slowly returning to earth. Old salty guy owns the thing and is crazy hard to get ahold of... if it pans out, similar butchery will commence.

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  • SuperBuickGuy
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    Originally posted by Loren View Post

    Yep, watch out...SBG's going to post that tie-rod pic on Pirate and claim it, just to get the regulars excited...
    Everyone needs a hobby.

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  • bigdog9191999
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    Should look something like this when done. Will be white and may or may not have doors!



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  • bigdog9191999
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    Originally posted by Loren View Post

    Yep, watch out...SBG's going to post that tie-rod pic on Pirate and claim it, just to get the regulars excited...

    Nice to see an old Wagoneer saved and messed with. Not too much rust either. It's amazing how much inner fender room those have in there, huh...no problem cutting away the outers once the wheels are on there and you know where it's needed. You probably already know that if you want the rr track a little narrower you can use dually hubs and backing plates (from the narrow-dually-type 14bolt) w/ your single drums, but I'm imagining you're keeping it wide.

    Thanks for pics and story, look forward to more...

    what had been on there and actually used wasn't any better either!! at least I don't plan on anything further than the driveway. it will have a beefy setup and hydro assist If I have my way of it. but wont be to concerned with that right away as I think I will hold back on the heavy wheeling with it just to help preserve it some. as I have our xj that is a dedicated trail rig that I can bash the crap out of. I am on pirate as well as the local greatlakes4x4 as well.


    I will get a better Idea of how much will have to come off once I get the big tires on and start flexing it a bit I will get an idea of shock length and how much I will be trimming off vs bumpstops or straps. we pushed both axles out a little which I figured would help clearances. the rear I just didn't want to get into the rear door but some of the rust it does have was on the wheel arch in the rear and I will cut that off. and with it being rearward a bit I can cut the whole 3-4'' from the rear door up and over and back a couple extra inches which would basically recenter the wheel arch to the new axle position.


    as for width...this is were it is gonna be tricky.. but I have a plan that should work ok.. the axles now are standard width. the D60 I have for the front is a dually so is wide.. which by my estimate should be perfect for running the H1's just as they are.. the rear would be to narrow.. but I believe that a set of bolt on front dually spacers ( used on many many to get the front wide enough for the stock wheels ( dually set inward) to center were they should) I am guestimating that running a set on the rear with the high offset of the H1's should set them just about right. ( for reference the H1's are like 9'' wide with like 7'' backspace. and a standard dually wheel is like 6'' wide with 7'' backspace and being that the rear axle is standard width add the 6-7'' spacer from a stock dually should make it sit about right. )


    I also found the pics of the seats I am planning on using..as well as an approximation of about what I should look like when done. I will load those pics in a min
    Last edited by bigdog9191999; October 17, 2016, 04:52 AM.

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  • Dan Barlow
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    Cool seeing that wagoneer period . Haven't seen one for a while the to see it get one ton running gear and a lift ....☺
    Last edited by Dan Barlow; October 16, 2016, 11:42 PM.

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  • Loren
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    Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
    I'm stealing this ]
    Yep, watch out...SBG's going to post that tie-rod pic on Pirate and claim it, just to get the regulars excited...

    Nice to see an old Wagoneer saved and messed with. Not too much rust either. It's amazing how much inner fender room those have in there, huh...no problem cutting away the outers once the wheels are on there and you know where it's needed. You probably already know that if you want the rr track a little narrower you can use dually hubs and backing plates (from the narrow-dually-type 14bolt) w/ your single drums, but I'm imagining you're keeping it wide.

    Thanks for pics and story, look forward to more...

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  • SuperBuickGuy
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    way cool, I'm stealing this for annoying the purists...
    http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...y/DSC09823.jpg

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  • Deaf Bob
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    Look like Offy to me.. Could be Mickey's

    Might even be Cal Customs ...
    Last edited by Deaf Bob; October 13, 2016, 09:12 PM.

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  • bigdog9191999
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    I want to say Mickey Thompson original old school stuff. but have to look again to be sure... seems like he may have had another set. but not sure if he sold them or not.. I will check on that too.

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  • Mater
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    I want those valve covers what are they?

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  • bigdog9191999
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    You can see in the truck from underneath for now








    we also had gotten the steering box mounted in and got the steering shaft hooked up so all we needed was something to connect the two so we could steer around the yard so we don’t have to carry it with the big truck all the time and could just use a pickup and strap, We used an old steering arm and glued it and heated so we could bend it for the angel and stuck it on there, and will suite the need just fine. (And is still better than the garbage that was on the heep when I got it.)


    NOTE: THIS IS NOT PERMANENT, THIS IS TEMPARARY USE ONLY AND FOR DRIVEWAY USE ONLY, A NEW AND CORRECT SETUP WILL BE FABBED ONCE THE PERMANT (SEE: DANA 60) AXEL IS IN PLACE.




    And as it sits now. (Again a bit high in the front, but still missing drive train.)










    Next installment should be driveline mockup and fitment, and making motor mounts and such.






    All right not any real work ( been way to long). But I have gotten more goodies for it!









    ok somehow i missed putting these in there. so here are a couple more pics because we like pics

















































    after i find them i have pics of the seats i want to use too.. thye are power heated out of a 2000 caddy sedan deville











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  • bigdog9191999
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    dj stopped by and got a couple of me getting ready to clean the frame rails for the final welding on the rear brackets






    brackets welded up









    we got the springs bolted back on and put it back outside till next time, sitting much better now, there are still a few changes to make in the front, like the weight of the drivetrain, winch ect. and we still need to fix the front shackle mounts, but over all this should be close to how it will sit, give or take a couple of inches. if it is not high enough i can get a small lift for a newer waggoner and now they will bolt on..


    as she sits at the end of the weekend with the rear raised up about 5-6'' from where it was.. the wheelbase is 113 inches now with the rear axle back









    till next time.....




    well i think the pics from yesterday just about explain it all, we where after the frame horns (mostly for the steering box ), gas tank (which will be recessed into my floor from the bottom), the wheels and tires where dads so we took those back home. the axles and a few other pieces the owner was keeping, the jeep don't look to bad but the thing was very rusty, to the point that the frame had been plated and was still rusting in two,



    first was getting it out the hole it was in

















    the first thing to come off was the front axle




    then we clipped the frame





    switched up the truck and got the rear









    got the tank out while we where back there






    set the truck down and strapped the cab intending to pick the whole thing up, but the rusty thing wouldn't stay together






    so we made pieces. the only thing holding the driver side frame rail was the wires and brake lines on that side.







    loaded up ready to snag a few parts off the cab then it goes to scrap






    parts pile





    the waggy that is replacing the j10 with plow duties









    should be chopping off the frame horns and grafting on the ones we got off the truck and re mounting the front shackle mounts, then getting the motor mounts and drive train mocked up soon.



    ok, got some more done over the weekend, we got the two frames cut spliced and glued back in place, it sits a little high in the nose again but that is needed as the drive train in not in place yet, that should be next time




    First we made sure the real heater was working (my 200,000 vs. his 50,000 Btu)



    Started by trimming/cleaning off the new section of frame



    Got the old section cut out






    Found a crack in it after we got it out. Makes me feel even better that we are putting in a better piece



    You can see the extra in the ends of the frame that make it stronger (and has a newer more common better steering box design also).








    Tacking the new section in



    Laying a bead





    We moved the front shackles forward about 2 1/2 inches (you can see on the frame where the old rivets held it on)









    Went back and plated the two half’s together as well.






    Shot a little paint on the fresh welds and went under the back and got some on there too to try and keep the rust away. On the rear suspension mounts we made







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  • bigdog9191999
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    as for progress we got the motor out the other day and it is ready to start mocking up for the big poncho.

    the trans and case are out too we just got it moved outside before i could get a shot



















    and this is how we move things..











    well made progress on the jeep this weekend, got the rear spring hangers remade and replaced the rear springs




    as it sat, sat morning before we got it in and started working on it.


    we got the old springs out and made the measurements for the new hardware.


    the brackets made up and getting ready for install.




    new and old springs with the center pins lined up.



    the new and old springs standing next to each other the old was 49" and the new (off a newer style wagoneer) where 55'',



    new and old springs arch are about the same, should have about the same rate and be about the same ride height




    tacked on brackets



    getting axle back under the jeep for real weight testing





    how it is with weight on them







    how the tire is sitting in the well, we moved it back about 1 1/2 inches from stock





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