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    i see your $14k engine, and raise you a $4300 cheaper, still 600hp skip white motor....
     BBC CHEVY 454/468 COMPLETE ENGINE HYDRAULIC ROLLER CAM 530 HP RUNS ON PUMP GAS. This engine is fully assembled from intake to oil pan. *** IMPORTANT NOTE *** You may add items into your shopping cart but in order to check out you will have to call us. Our check out feature on our website is being upgraded at this time. We can take your order over the phone and answer any technical questions you may have. We accept all major credit cards, cash, check, and money orders. Just give us a call at 423-722-5152 and we can process your order promptly. In the event you attempt to reach us outside of our operating hours, please leave us a detailed message and we will return your call at our earliest opportunity. The engine shown above is an actual representation of the engine you will receive with the exception of the polished intake. This engine includes a satin finish intake. Our engines can also be built for use in marine applications. Pictured below is one of our bbc engines in a customer's boat.  We also offer our engines with a lower cost basic front accessory kit, with electric water pump option and with no turn-key options at all (base engine). See all our engine listings. We also offer our bbc engines setup with a blower as pictured below.     DART BIG M BLOCK WITH SPLAYED MAIN CAPS. WISECO PISTONS, SCAT CRANK, AND SCAT RODS. PC ALUMINUM HEADS.  4.310" BORE X 4.00" STROKE - NEW DART BIG M BLOCK WITH SPLAYED MAIN CAPS. - PROCOMP ALUMINUM ALLOY HEADS. - COMP HYD. ROLLER CAM AND HOWARDS TIE BAR STREET STRIP ROLLER LIFTERS. - SA GEAR BILLET TIMING SET WITH TORRINGTON BEARING AND ROLON CHAIN 9 KEYWAY. TOP OF THE LINE. - COMP ULTRA PRO MAGNUM ALUMINUM ROCKERS 1.7 RATIO.  - SCAT CRANKSHAFT, KING BEARINGS. BALANCED ON OUR CWT BALANCER TO BELOW 2 GRAMS. - SCAT COMPETITION RODS WITH ARP 8740 CAP SCREWS. - WISECO PREMIUM FORGED PISTONS. 800+HP RATED. - MELLING M-SELECT SERIES OIL PUMP WITH M-SELECT DRIVE ROD. - CHAMP CUSTOM OIL PAN WITH OIL CONTROL SYSTEM. - PRO-RACE BRAND DAMPER. - TWO YEAR WARRANTY. Pump gas friendly.  Our 454/468 Hydraulic Roller cam engine will produce 600 horse power at approx. 5800 rpm. The build sheet is at the lower part of this listing. This engine is an excellent choice for use in classic street rods, sport trucks, 4x4 trucks, and can be used as a daily driver. High mileage use is not a problem with this engine. This is engine may also be setup for use in larger work trucks, or motor homes. We can also set any of our engines up for marine use.  This engine will produce more than double the horse power of the original bbc  396, 427 and 454's and much greater torque. Pump gas friendly. For those wanting to put this engine in a classic car or sport truck, select cam choice # 1 or # 2 with the Hurricane intake. This engine will deliver very impressive power in the lower rpm range, and have a very high degree of drivability and long life. See our other listings for the fully dressed out turn-key version. Special Note. This engine size is not the best value for the money compared to our other bbc engines. We use a brand new Dart Big M block on several of our bbc engines. It would be more practical to move to the next size, (505) since it's the same price as this engine, but moving up two steps to the 555 is actually the way to go. The 555 uses a new Merlin IV block. The 555 engine gains a huge jump in hp and torque over the 468 and the 505 due to fact it has a wider bore. This wider bore makes the 555 a very efficient engine. Look closely at the dyno reports, and notice the difference in torque and hp throughout the rpm range. Same heads and cam in the 555 yields amazing power over the 468 and the 505. Efficiency is the key in the 555. The wider bore un-shrouds the valves and allows the cylinder heads to work at peak efficiency. There are no drawbacks to moving up in engine size. The Merlin IV block still has several rebuilds left in it even with the 555 engine. Engine longevity and reliability are not affected in any way.  Two year warranty, see details below.  This engine is designed to have a high level of drivability, or street manners. Cams #3 and #4 are our favorites for offering exceptional low end and mid range performance plus max drivability without needing to deepen final gearing or the need for a high stall speed torque converter.   If you choose to go with the Hurricane single plane intake and the first choice cam, it will bring the hp numbers up to approx. 600. We do not recommend the single plane intake combined with cam choice 1 on any car that is over approx 3,200 lbs and/or cars with a steep (tall) final gear.  Please read the cam info provided below on the four cam choices before purchasing this engine. It is very important that you choose the correct cam and intake for your car and its intended purpose.  Here are a few good reasons why we think the 454 engine is a better choice than the stock GM bbc engine. 1. The 454 will accelerate any heavy car much better than any of the underpowered original GM bbc engines.  2. The exhaust note from this big block engine is much deeper than that of the typical stock GM big block engines.  3. Installing this engine in heavy cars or trucks without killing acceleration, or having to deepen the final gear, and needing a huge stall converter is a real plus. This engine will accelerate a 7500 lb vehicle much better than any stock bbc engine. 4. Low maintenance and high drivability even in very heavy cars and trucks, while generating up to 600 hp at the same cost as building a 454 stock engine. 5. Longevity and reliability. You don't have to turn the engine to a critical rpm range to produce its max hp output. There's nothing unsafe about running an engine that's well built like this up to 5,800 rpm. The hydraulic roller cam is very reliable and will not require a bronze distributor gear, as it has a normal cast gear. Our aluminum heads use very high quality hardware. All of our valves are from PBM, and are considered to be very high quality valves. 6. Should you ever decide to sell your car, or truck with this engine, the resale value would be much greater.             We do a full test run on every engine we build on a test mule. The engine is run for two intervals of 15 minutes each, and every possible issue is addressed. When you install the engine, you must verify that the timing is set at the correct value, and the fuel to air ratio must be verified. We also include an engine stand like the one pictured, wheels included, and an engine lift plate. As of 10/25/2016, we completed installation of our second brand new Super Flow 902S dyno. This dyno is dedicated for dyno testing and tuning on our bbc engine line only. De-tuned engines with different cam and intake combos will move the torque into the low rpm range, and is very desirable if you're sporting around on the street, rather than all-out racing. The de-tuned version of this engine will also allow you to set the car up closer to stock and increase drivability to a very high degree. Throttle response is also noticeably better. We can help you with a cam and intake selection that best suits your needs. The build sheet is as follows:   This is a file photo. Appearance may vary.    We have various bore sizes available.   Dart Block Specs. and features.     - Standard 9.800" deck ht. - Siamesed extra thick cylinder walls to resist cracking and improve ring seal (minimum .300" thick with 4.625" bore). - Uses +.300" tall Gen VI style lifters. - Scalloped outer water jacket walls improve coolant flow around the cylinder barrels to equalize temperatures. - 4 bolt ductile iron main caps have splayed outer bolts for extra strength. - True priority main oil system lubricates the main bearings before the lifters. - Oil filter pad is drilled and tapped for an external oil pump. - Lifter valley head stud bosses prevent blown head gaskets. - Rear main cap uses standard oil pump and two piece seal - no adapter required! - Mechanical fuel pump boss, clutch linkage mounts, and side and front motor mounts simplify  by Vid-Saver">installation in any chassis. - Dual oil pan bolt patterns fit standard and notched oil pans. The block is bored to size with our new Centroid touch probe machine. Few machine shops have a machine of this accuracy. We also deck the blocks to an RA finish of approx. 15 or better. The decking procedure is also done by our Centroid CNC machine.  We often find many brand new blocks to have a sloping deck of up to 4 thous. When we're finished decking the block, it is within approx. .001 accuracy from end to end. Many machine shops fail to catch this as the machinery they use does not allow for such accuracy. We then plate hone the block with our new Sunnen SV10 diamond hone machine. This is also a very advanced machine that hones the block with a finish unlike conventional machines.  The final step is to clean the block in our high pressure block washer.  Pictured below is the rotating assembly that comes in this engine. (file photo, actual parts may vary, see details below) The photos above and below are file photos. Actual appearance may vary. This picture is to give you an idea of parts used in the rotating assembly portion of this engine. All parts are brand new, first line, unblemished, and balanced in house.  READ THIS LISTING COMPLETELY BEFORE YOU BUY ELSEWHERE!  ********************************************************** Crankshaft Specs.  Crankshaft: Genuine Scat Crankshaft Stroke: 4.00"  Crankshaft Material : Cast Nodular  Journal Diameter: STD BBC  Rear Main Seal: 2pc RMS Connecting Rod Specs. Rods: Genuine Scat  Rod Type: Scat I-beam, Bronze Bushed. Rod Length: 6.135 Rod Material: Forged 4340 Alloy. Rod Bolt/Cap Screw: ARP 8740 Cap Screws. Piston & Ring Specs.  Pistons: Wiseco Fully Forged. High Performance for street/strip use. Piston Size: 4.310" Dome Volume: Dome Top  Compression Height: 1.655 Piston Material: Forged 2618 Aircraft Alloy Piston Rings: Mahle High Performance, Moly, Standard Tension. Ring Size and Fit: 5/64 5/64 5/64. Ring Material: Cast/Stainless/Moly Bearing, Damper, and Flexplate Specs. Main Bearings: KING Rod Bearings:  KING Balance: In House on CWT balancer. Damper: Pro-Race brand 7.0"  Flexplate: Heavy Duty SFI 168 tooth or 153 tooth. Manual Trans. flywheels available.  Listed below is a complete breakdown of all the parts that are included in this engine.   WISECO FULLY FORGED PISTONS, RATED AT 800+ HP. WISECO PISTONS ARE 100% MANUFACTURED IN THE USA. THEY ARE ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATED PISTON BUILDERS IN THE COUNTRY. The Wiseco forged pistons are rated very high in the street/strip performance industry. They  are made using the 2618 aircraft alloy and have fully machined crowns. We prefer the 2618 alloy over the lower cost 4032 alloy. This alloy may fragment from the effects of detonation and if this happens, it can be very destructive to the engine.  Those types of pistons are fine for stock or mild engine builds, but should never be used in  carbureted engines built to high horse power levels.    The forged 2618 alloy piston is much more resistant to the effects of detonation and heat.    Our Wiseco Forged pistons are custom designed with an increase in compression height. This has many advantages. Here are a few facts about compression height and deck height. Our custom made pistons have a compression height that is .010 taller on bbc pistons, and .015 taller on sbc pistons, as compared to most all of the catalog pistons on the market. We find this to be a very valuable feature.  Since our pistons sit at a taller than normal compression height, we only have to remove approx. .005-.010 off the deck surface of the block. Our goal is set the piston at zero deck (flush with the deck surface). This maintains the deck's thickness, making it much stronger than a block that has been cut down .025. The engine will also run a bit cooler with a thicker deck. It's well known that the deck dissipates much of the built up heat an engine generates. This also allows for future deck re-surfacing without compromising the integrity of the block. On our bbc engines, we actually leave the piston about .003 to .005 in the hole to allow for possible piston rock. Our sbc engines will have the pistons setting right at zero with the deck.   You may have noticed that our Wiseco custom made forged pistons are referred to as Racing Pistons on the package. This does not mean that the pistons are for racing only. This is a generic term, referring to their ability to be used in high performance applications as well as for street rod use. These pistons are perfectly designed for use on the street, as well as for medium to upper level drag racing.      We have built approximately 5000 engines using the Wiseco pistons. The engines have been for street rod and strip use. We have seen no problems, nor have there been any complaints. They are an excellent product in every respect.   These pistons are also suitable for use with nitrous or blower setups. The picture below is a file photo of our Wiseco pistons.        MAHLE HIGH PERFORMANCE MOLY RINGS     Scat Crankshaft. The picture below is a generic file photo of a Scat crankshaft. Some of the benefits of the Scat crankshaft supplied with this assembly:  The material used in this crankshaft is manufactured from an exclusive Space Age material that was designed for high strength and fatigue resistance. The Scat cranks are the best value you will ever find. The Scat crankshafts are the best way to build a strong bottom end for, street rods, dirt and circle track racing, and drag strip racing. This crank is suitable for use up to approx. 600-650 hp.  Crank Polishing. Pictured below is our ABS crank polishing machine in action. We polish the crank on every engine we build. This extends bearing life, keeps oil cooler, and with the reduced friction, a slight increase in horsepower is gained. Many machine shops fail to do this. The finish on most cranks are at the bare minimum of acceptance, and we know this can affect bearing life. We have measured the RA finish with our profilometer, and found it to be as high as 25 RA finish on many of the cranks. We bring that number down to below considerably.  Our choice of rods are the SCAT COMPETITION SERIES rods with ARP-8740 cap screws.      The Scat Pro-Comp extreme duty I-beam rods should not be mistaken for ProComp rods. These rods are made exclusively by Scat, and have nothing to do with the ProComp company. The critical sizing and installation of the ARP cap screws is performed on a Sunnen machine in the USA by Scat Industries. These rods are excellent for those wanting the extra security offered by a rod with 7/16 ARP cap screws.  Take notice of the design of these rods. They are far superior to conventional style I-beam rods.  If you do a search on the Scat Pro-Comp rods, you will find a vast amount of info on many car forums. All of the info is 100% positive. These rods are run in engines that not only produce high horsepower levels, but also run at continuous RPM. Notice the general appearance in the pictures. These rods do look impressive. The style is reminiscent of a steel billet rod. The fact that these rods are incredibly strong and well made, coupled with the fact they are light weight, made it an easy decision to use them in all of our high horsepower street/strip engines.  We have noticed some engine builders using low cost generic rods and crankshafts in their engines. These non-branded, (no-name) products are often poor quality in many ways. You will notice many of the low end engine builders fail to mention the actual brand of the rods or cranks used in their engines. Upon further investigation you will find such parts not to be a branded name product. They may label these parts with a name, but one that is totally unrecognizable in the industry. Our experience in years past with such rods and cranks has been disappointing to say the least. Besides the obvious issues such as incorrect sizing and machining that is difficult to correct, the questionable alloy these items may be produced from and the potentially incorrect heat treating methods used, could prove to be disastrous. Little can be done to verify this and nothing can be done to correct it. Failures of such critical parts will usually result in catastrophic damage to the engine. As you may have noticed, this is why we specify the brand name, and series of every part used in our engines. Many of the inferior "no-name" rods on the market will also have "no-name" rod bolts in them. We have seen these bolts before, and they are very low quality. They don't have ARP's rolled thread design, and they don't torque down with the same characteristics as a genuine ARP bolt. It's not just a matter of having a different brand bolt in the rods; these bolts are low quality in many ways. They have been known to fail in engines to a much greater degree than a high quality rod bolt, and this failure usually causes catastrophic damage in the engine. Beware of rods that don't mention the rod bolt brand. As far as we're concerned, ARP bolts are the only brand we would ever use or accept in a set of rods. Genuine ARP 8740 cap screws.          We offer premium grade Ram brand SFI Billet Steel flywheels for manual transmission use at an additional cost. See our other listings. This engine includes a flexplate for automatic transmission use at no additional cost.   When purchasing a flywheel for manual transmission use, be sure to know what tooth count you need. There are two sizes available, and it is of the utmost importance to select the flywheel that is correct for this engine. There are several factors that must be addressed when choosing your correct flywheel. The tooth count must be correct. This is very important. There are two sizes available, and it is the bellhousing size on the transmission that determines this. Another important factor is if the engine your purchasing is internally balanced often referred to as neutral balanced or if it is an externally balanced engine, often referred to as externally balanced. Big block and small block engines will also have a different bolt pattern in most cases. To sum it up, there are three important factors to look for when selecting the correct flywheel, tooth count, int. or ext bal. and whether or not you purchasing a big block or small block engine. The Ram brand flywheels we offer are very high quality. See our other listings for a complete line of the Ram brand SFI flywheels.       Our CWT 5500 Balancer. We do our own balancing with our new state of the art CWT 5500 Series balancers. The CWT 5500 is the ultimate for precision balancing. We now have three of these in our machine shop. We consider this machine to be highly advanced compared to the Hines balancer we once used. We balance every rotating assembly we sell within 2 grams or less at no extra charge. A balance sheet is included with your assembly.  Three CWT balance machines under one roof is a rare sight.    Our crew wrapping up for the day. Pardon the mess.   Our Procomp bbc heads are used on many of our bbc engines.    PC aluminum heads with 300cc runners, 119cc combustion chambers, 2.250/1.88 stainless PBM valves, 1.46 diameter Melling dual roller springs. These cyl. heads are made by Procomp. We use our own hardware and do our own assembly.   Here is a rundown on the hardware we are using in the bbc Procomp heads. PBM Competition Series Stainless Valves.     NON MAGNETIC stainless steel PBM Competition Series valves, swirl finished one piece, undercut and backcut. We have used the same valve for years, with zero failures. Non magnetic is very important. Our cost on these valves is around double the price of some low cost valves on the market. We sell these valves for just under $200 in our other listings. They are the only grade of valves we use in our bbc heads. Many head builders use the low cost valves, but we do not use them and never will. If the valves pull a magnet, they are not high temp stainless. They may be stainless, but they have very low nickel content in them. The backcut feature reduces valve weight by an average of 12.5 grams per valve. This weight reduction of approx. 208 grams off the complete set of valves has a monumental effect on acceleration, deceleration, and valve train life. It may be difficult to understand how this works, but rest assured, this is a huge reduction. The valve spring compression and rebound action will remain stable for a much longer time running lighter weight valves, as well as reducing valve float.  The backcut feature is not be mistaken for undercut. These valves have both features. Backcutting is an additional radius, but located on the head of the valve to increase the flow numbers and reduce valve weight. The flow increase is approx. 3-6 points on the flow bench, and possibly more, depending on the initial flow rate of the heads. We use Melling brand dual springs that have a 1.46 diameter, with an internal damper. These are made in the USA. Others are using springs that are much smaller in diameter. Smaller diameter springs may be in the correct spring pressure zone, but they are usually very short lived.  We use only Comp Cams Super 10 degree machined locks. Our head builder noticed the low grade locks on the market fit looser than he felt they should, not to mention the possibility that they are made of inferior metal. He envisioned the engine being much more prone to dropping a valve at high rpm. We have yet to have an engine drop a valve due to a valve lock failure. We hone every guide in the heads with a ball berry flex hone to establish not only perfect clearance, but also a semi cross hatch finish for oil retention. We finish off with a natural bristle brush. The heads are then placed in our parts washer and cleaned with high pressure hot water, then pressure dried. This procedure is not performed at the factory due to the fact some engine/head builders prefer to establish the valve to guide clearance and finish in different ranges. Before installing the valves, we apply a heavy coat of engine assembly lube to the valve stems.  Our next step is to set the spring pressure to a predetermined pressure using a spring height checking device, most suitable for street rod use. The springs we are using allow for a near perfect seat to nose ratio. Be warned that some sellers of aftermarket heads may not be checking the installed height when assembling the heads, and may not be setting them up to the correct pressures. We have a full scale machine shop with several very knowledgeable engine builders that know and fully understand how to properly assemble a set of heads. Combine the possibility of poor assembly methods with incorrect or low grade hardware, and it is easy to see how failures can result. We have dynoed at least 300 engines with the Procomp heads and they performed faultlessly. We have never experienced failure of any kind with the Procomp bbc heads. See important article concerning the PC heads at the bottom of the ad.    Fel Pro 1017 premium race grade series head gaskets, ARP head bolts, and rocker studs.       ARP HEAD BOLTS AND WASHERS AND ROCKER STUDS.           COMP ULTRA PRO-MAGNUM ROCKERS.      The new Ultra Pro Magnum™ Roller Rocker Arms not only live up to the lofty standards of the original Pro Magnums™, but they also take stud mount rocker performance, stability and value to a whole new level. The modern arched, web-like design delivers increased strength and rigidity while still reducing the moment of inertia and optimizing the dynamic balance.   Important notice.   If you've read our warning on engine builders using low grade no-name rods and cranks, a similar situation exists in the roller rocker market. We do not use or sell off-shore, (no-name) roller rockers, period. They have proven to be faulty in many ways. The center trunnions are not polished, nor is the center of the roller tip true to size or polished. Metal fragments are often left inside the trunnion housing and will cause destruction of the needle bearings. The aluminum alloys used are never aircraft aluminum alloys as are used in all USA made roller rockers. They often mention the alloy as being 6061, and that is a very soft form of aluminum. The 6061 alloy used on these will assure rocker-flex on any higher than stock spring pressures, and this will affect performance. The pins and keepers that hold the parts together are often of poor quality and improperly installed. The front roller will usually scoot along the valve tip, as it can't roll properly due to rough internal surfaces.  We have honestly seen valve tips that were scalloped out due to the front roller dragging across them. This will cause the valves to side-load against the valve guides in the heads and surely cause damage to them if run like this for very long.  We have scrutinized these products in the past and found all of the above problems, and I can tell you there are most likely many more. We would not use them in an engine under any circumstances. You will also see many of these rockers made from stainless on the market. They use a low grade stainless that actually has a near non-existent amount of nickel in them, but that's not the real problem with them, as stainless steel has no advantage over high grade heat treated steel when it comes to a roller rocker. The lack of hardness of the rocker body is the real problem. The problems with these stainless rockers are the same as mentioned above. These are the roller rockers you see on the market for around $119 and up to $169 for the so called stainless ones. They are pure junk, in our honest opinion. They could possibly be used on a budget back yard stock build up that has a very low spring pressure, with a cam that has very low lift, but then you would be better off with the stock stamped rockers on such a build. We have heard of many engines using these rockers that came apart and spilled needle bearings into the engine, only to end up in the oil pump. It seems like some engine builders do not care how long the parts in your engine last, or they simply don't know this. I can tell you for sure that using such low grade, "no-name" roller rockers is asking for trouble. We use Comp Ultra Pro Magnum rockers in all of our BBC engines. The difference in these compared to the low grade no-name rockers on the market is huge.   Premium Morel Hydraulic Roller Lifters.      We use Howards brand premium pushrods in all of our engines. They are lightweight in design, yet very strong. Made in the USA from 4130 chromoly steel. Regular hardened pushrods will most likely flex in the engine when running above normal RPM ranges, and risk bending under high RPM. These do not have the welded ball on the end. We only use the swedged one pc. design, which is a well proven design far superior to the style many others use in engines. 4130 chromoly steel is also much stronger, and will resist flexing. When a pushrod flexes in the engine, you lose lift. Don't be misled by the term "hardened," as this is nothing more than a stock style low cost push rod. They will flex in the engine or possibly bend permanently.  Our choice of lifters are the Howards brand tie bar lifters. These lifters have many unique features.  Pictured below is our Speedmaster single plane intake. We now offer the BLACK POWDER COATED FINISH Single Plane Intake as a $49.00 upgrade.     We also offer the Edelbrock satin RPM Air Gap intake as an alternate choice at no extra charge. 304 STAINLESS ALLEN HEAD INTAKE BOLTS ARE USED ON ALL OUR ENGINES. We are offering two cam choices listed below in this engine. Read the specs carefully.       Cam Choice # 1 By Comp Cams.   Part number: 01-456-8 566/566 lift. 242/248 duration 112 lobe sep.   Peak advertised hp of 600 would come in around 6100 rpm. A 2750-3000 stall converter is recommended for better acceleration when using this cam and a final gear of 3.55 or numerically higher. With our single plane intake, this cam will achieve the advertised horse power. Cam lope is radical at idle. Street manners are not this cams strong point. Vehicles weighing over 4250 should not use this cam choice.   Cam Choice # 2 By Comp Cams.   Part number: 01-451-8 547/547 lift. 230/236duration 112 lobe sep. Cam choice # 2 offers increased drivability and improved low end power, with very little sacrifice of the max power as compared to cam choice # 1, a 15-20 hp decrease at the most. The torque numbers will remain nearly the same and come in approximately 150 rpm lower compared to cam choice # 1. Valve train stability and longevity is increased with this cam. This cam is recommended for use in light to medium weight vehicles with tall gearing, and sport trucks. Max power will be achieved at approx. 5850 rpm. You may use the single plane intake with this cam and not affect the low end power to any noticeable amount.   By using cam choice # 2, your valve train will be much more reliable and longevity is certainly improved. Cam choice # 2 will allow you to run a stall converter in the 2500-2750 rpm range. Final gearing when used in a car or sport truck could actually be in the 3.55 range or even taller, and overdrive use may be possible. Mileage with taller gearing is also a plus. This cam would be most suitable in heavy vehicles weighing up to 4500 lbs. Drivability with this cam is fair to decent depending on your vehicle weight and final gearing. This cam may not develop enough vacuum to operate power brakes.   We have several different options in valve covers. Here are our most popular choices: These are just a few of our popular valve covers you may choose from. We do have several more choices to select from in our other listings at no additional cost. If you chose cam choice 1 or 2, then we highly recommend using an exhaust evac. system. The vacuum created by the engine is somewhat insufficient when using these larger cams, heads, carb and intake to operate a pcv system at its best. The exhaust evac system will pull the crankcase gases out of the engine at a very smooth and controlled rate. This allows the rings to seat in much faster and better, and can increase horse power to some degree by reducing crankcase pressure. Another benefit of the evac system is that you're not contaminating the fuel and air mixture with semi-burned byproducts from the engine oil and combustion process.  After the engine is completely broken in, the pcv setup may be sufficient. However, it may not be the best choice. The break-in time may also be slower with the pcv setup.  We also offer a vacuum pump system for the ultimate in crankcase pressure control. If you do decide to use an exhaust evac system, we have a few more recommendations. The bullet style perforated mufflers, like those made by Magnaflow and many other companies, must be used. In our opinion, they sound the best and, most importantly, they allow the exhaust evac system to work properly. Magnaflow is a popular brand of the true straight through mufflers, and there are several other brands on the market such as Corsa, Borla, and Bullet. The sound level is controlled by the length you choose. The 12-16 inch length sounds the best to us. These mufflers have smooth perforated inner walls. They should not be confused with traditional glass packs with fluted walls, which are very restrictive and have a somewhat sloppy sound.  Traditional chambered mufflers, like Flowmaster, create a back pressure pulse that will interfere with the operation of an exhaust evac. system. Chambered mufflers have the reputation of helping bottom end throttle response, but you will have a decent amount of bottom end power with this engine, especially if you have chosen cam choice 2, 3 or 4. In our experience, the straight through perforated mufflers sound and perform better in every respect, and allow the proper use of an exhaust evac. system. More info. on this subject below.     Timing components: SA Gear 8999T billet double roller timing set. Polished Aluminum Timing Cover.     We use the top of the line SA Gear timing set with a torrington bearing and rolon chain. The difference in quality is dramatic compared to the common low-cost timing set. The upper sprocket is made from billet steel and the lower is induction hardened with nine keyways. These sets are hand matched for selective sizing.  The cost on this high end timing set is approx $97.50, more than double the cost of the low level budget timing set used by many other engine builders. Should you ever want to confirm that this is what is actually in your engine, you can remove the timing cover, and you will see that this timing set is very different in appearance to the run of the mill low cost sets often used by others.  This timing set is offered in three different chain tension setups, allowing us to set it up perfectly every time. One more benefit is that timing accuracy is very precise and will remain that way. This timing set will likely last for the life of the engine. This is what you will find in most solid roller engines, as they have very high spring rates, and create an enormous load on the chain and gears, compared to non solid roller setups. It may seem like a bit of overkill to use such a high end timing set, but the versatility and extreme quality outweigh the cost, in our opinion.   Champ premium oil pan.   The oil pans we use on all of our engines are made in the USA by Champ. The Champ oil pan has a full windage tray, crank scraper, and trap door. Threaded dipstick is included. Extreme duty pickup designed not to fail. The oil pan is made from a thicker than normal gauge material, and has embossed ribs in the body.  If your engine is equipped with the 7 qt. Champ oil pan, it has kickouts that swell outward approx. 3 inches on each side. If you think you will encounter clearance issues with the kickouts, we recommend opting for the stock appearing 5 qt. oil pan. The 5 qt. pan will still be a Champ pan and will have the windage tray and crank scraper. We strongly recommend reducing the amount of oil used in these oil pans by approx. 1/4th of a quart. Doing this may reduce the chance of oil leaks and reduce oil temps. The larger counter weights used on stroker crankshafts are why we recommend reducing the oil capacity in these engines. The higher capacity 7 quart oil pan is an optional upgrade on some of our engines.  To be clear on what we're saying, we would like to see you add right at 7.0 to 7.5 quarts of oil grand total in your engine and oil filter when using the higher capacity oil pan that has the flat ribbed bottom with kickouts on the side. When using the stock appearing oil pan, we would like to see you add right at 5.5 to 5.75 quarts grand total in your engine and oil filter. Our engines include a dipstick. It's very important that you re-calibrate the oil level marking on the dipstick. This is due to the fact that the dipstick, oil pan, and block are all made from various manufacturers and we often see great variances. Couple this with the fact that you may be running a reduced amount of oil, and the "full" mark on the dipstick will most likely not indicate correctly. Once you have put a predetermined amount of oil in your engine, and run it for a few minutes, let it sit for awhile on level ground, check the oil, and mark your dipstick with a flat file to re-establish the full mark.       We do not use the knock off oil pan gaskets on the market. Felpro premium oil pan gaskets are used on all of our engines.   Pictured below is a file photo. The actual Felpro gasket used will be the correct model for this application. Studded Mini Nut Set.      We use our premium studded mini nut set on all of our oil pans and valve covers. The nuts have a serrated face and built in washers. This is the ultimate set for securing the oil pan and valve covers to the engine and is far superior to the typical bolts used by most other engine builders. Our standard engine color is black. Custom paint work on engine blocks and oil pans is available as an optional upgrade. The pictures above and below are file photos to display the studded mini nuts. Other items seen in these pictures may not represent your actual engine. Melling M-Select Oil Pump, and M-Select Drive rod with ARP stud.                The M-Select series oil pump by Melling has several important upgrades compared to the regular Melling M-55 Series. The gears are billet steel, and the body is stronger, coated with corrosion-resistant nitrite. This oil pump also includes the M-Select drive rod. Both components are far superior to the regular Melling oil pump and drive rods used by most other engine builders. We include an engine lift plate and heavy duty engine stand with casters with every engine we build.     We offer this engine with selected upgrades and options. Listed below are some of the most requested ones. Many not only improve performance, but further enhance the reliability and longevity of your engine, along with resale value. Edelbrock Pro-Flo 4 XT EFI System. This has become a very popular upgrade on many of our engines. For those not wanting to deal with the potential quirks of a carburetor, this is the way to go. This is a true fuel injection system with 8 injectors, (one per cylinder). Drivability becomes vastly improved over a carb or standard throttle body efi. Throttle response in the low to mid rpm range is superior to that of a carburetor. Startup and warm-up are also greatly improved. Tuning stays spot on regardless of altitude or weather conditions. These systems make it very easy to tweak the tuning on your engine to better serve your application. Our engine room crew has found the Edelbrock Pro-Flo system to be a very straightforward setup. This system comes with its own high energy variable ignition system. The timing is controlled through the built in ECU. The Pro-Flo system has a slightly higher cost, but is well worth it, in our very strong opinion. Our company founder, Skip White, stated that he has no problems with running a carb on a street rod engine, but the ability to tune the engine to perfection and the fact that fuel metering is so perfect with the Pro-Flo system has changed how he thinks an engine should receive its fuel and air, and variable ignition timing allows for max power when driving under optimal conditions. The difference in drive between the two is vast, to say the least. Consider the fact that by the time you purchase a carb for an engine of this size and the ignition system, plus receiving credit for the intake manifold that would otherwise be used to accommodate the carb, the difference to move up to the Pro-Flo system is not much in cost. We have installed approximately 50 of these on engines in our dyno room, and have yet to encounter any problems.  This system provides you with a high performance Pro-Flo XT-style intake and 90mm throttle body. Unlike regular throttle body EFI systems, Pro-Flo 4 features the fuel rails and individual injectors for each cylinder mounted on the manifold. This Edelbrock design produces the best fuel atomization and distribution for the ultimate performance, as well as delivering the most control and the most efficient way to deliver fuel to your engine. Along with innovative design, Pro-Flo 4 systems have the latest technology with an all-new ECU, and even more features for advanced tuning, with the key being their exclusive E-Tuner app with base calibrations developed on their dyno. Cost for this upgrade is calculated by taking the retail difference between the intake manifold that comes with this engine and the retail cost of the Edelbrock Pro-Flo System. This is a great value with many benefits, in our opinion. You can see this and other upgrade options in our ebay store under the "UPGRADES" category, or simply do a search with the key word, "Upgrade" in the search bar when shopping in our ebay store. Before you finalize your purchase of this assembly you may add any of these upgrades to your shopping cart. BBC Scat H-Beam Rod upgrade from Competition Rods: Recommended for those running hard. The Scat Competition rods that come with this assembly are sufficient for most street rod uses, but the Scat H-beam rods will most likely offer more security against rod breakage under hard use. The H-beam rods have a 750+ HP rating. Cost of this upgrade is $90.00 We have this upgrade featured in our other listings. You can see this and other upgrade options in our ebay store under the "UPGRADES" category, or simply do a search with the key word, "Upgrade" in the search bar when shopping in our ebay store. Before you finalize your purchase of this engine, you may add any of these upgrades to your shopping cart.  Click here to add upgrades. ARP-2000 rod bolts: This is one upgrade that we find to be very valuable. The rod bolts are most likely to fail under hard use, moreso than the rod itself. When a rod bolt fails during high RPM, total engine destruction is usually the result. The ARP-2000 rod bolts are a very good upgrade, in our opinion. We actually have few, if any, problems with the regular ARP-8740 bolts, but those who run hard always upgrade to the ARP-2000 rod bolts. The ARP-2000 rod bolts also torque at a higher number, and this increased clamping force is also a factor in keeping the big end of the rod stable and true to size. The ARP-2000 bolts are installed in the rods and this upgrade is only available with the Competition rod upgrade.  Cost of this upgrade is $89.50 We have this upgrade featured in our other listings. You can see this and other upgrade options in our ebay store under the "UPGRADES" category, or simply do a search with the key word, "Upgrade" in the search bar when shopping in our ebay store. Before you finalize your purchase of this engine, you may add any of these upgrades to your shopping cart.  Click here to add upgrades. BBC Scat 4340 Forged Crank: The forged Scat crank has a rating of 800+ HP. This is the ultimate upgrade for those wanting to run hard. Nos, blowers, turbos, are not an issue with this crank. Even without such power adders, this Crank offers great protection under the most severe conditions. This upgrade also comes with the HP high Performance King bearings. Should you decide to run power adders in the future, this would be essential. The fatigue life of the 4340 crank over the cast nodular is also greatly extended. We do offer this upgrade as part of many of our assemblies in some of our other listings. They have the key words, "fully forged," in the title. Cost of this forged crank upgrade is $380.00 We have this upgrade featured in our other listings. You can see this and other upgrade options in our ebay store under the "UPGRADES" category, or simply do a search with the key word, "Upgrade" in the search bar when shopping in our ebay store. Before you finalize your purchase of this assembly you may add any of these upgrades to your shopping cart.  Click here to add upgrades. Dyno Tuning: This is one of the most important upgrade/options we offer. There are many benefits to this service. The engine is first run at fast idle to bring the water and oil temp up to normal operating temperature. It is then run for approx. 20 minutes under a simulated load at around 3k rpm to promote initial ring seating. After this, the engine is shut down to allow us to check the readings on the spark plugs, and for any possible oil leaks. This cool down is considered part of the engine's first heat cycle. We then follow up with multiple low to medium rpm runs to further the break-in process of all the moving parts in the engine. During these multiple runs, we are paying close attention to the EGT, (exhaust gas temp) readings, vacuum pump readings, oil temp and pressure, coolant temp, and overall engine sound. At this point, we start the actual dyno tuning process and this focuses around the air to fuel ratio numbers and what timing numbers produce peak power. We usually have to change carb. jetting several times, adjust the idle circuits, and the air-bleeds occasionally have to be changed. We then establish the engine's full horse power and torque numbers at a given rpm limit. Having your engine dyno tuned will allow it to run its absolute best, and is very important in protecting the engine from potential damage caused by the carburetor running excessively rich or lean. This also establishes the engine's hp output and max rpm. These numbers are very important to know. There is one more value we consider just as important to what we have mentioned above. An engine that has been dyno tuned has also been validated to be in perfect operating condition. This is something that running the engine on a test mule can't provide. Any problems the engine may have will show up during the dyno tuning process. We have on rare occasion seen a popular combination show hp numbers that were not where they should be. Some of these problems give no indication other than reduced hp numbers. We find and fix such problems. The problem may be something simple and easy to find and in some cases very difficult to pinpoint. We will not send the engine out until it's perfect. If you choose not to purchase the dyno tuning package, we will still do a test mule run, as many engine builders do, and it certainly is better than nothing but pales in comparison to a full dyno tuning. When engines are dyno tuned, the chances of you having a problem are near non-existent. Unforeseen problems may still, occur but they are rare. We have kept the cost on this extensive procedure low to not only make it affordable, but it gives us great peace of mind knowing the engine will be in perfect operating condition when it is received. The cost to do a repair once the engine is installed can be very expensive for both us the seller and the customer. When you see the final dyno run of your engine on youtube, consider the fact that approximately five man hours, around $25.00 worth of fuel, oil and filter and $105K worth of dyno equipment went into making that one minute final test run video. Cost of the full dyno tune option is $350.00 We have this upgrade featured in our other listings. You can see this and other upgrade options in our ebay store under the "UPGRADES" category, or simply do a search with the key word, "Upgrade" in the search bar when shopping in our ebay store. Before you finalize your purchase of this engine, you may add any of these upgrades to your shopping cart.  Click here to add upgrades. Pictured below is one of our actual Super Flow dyno's. This is a 2016 model and highly advanced compared to the much older models many shops have. We have two of these in use at our shop.   The Super Flow is the best dyno in the industry.   Our new engine is premium pump gas friendly, with very good street manners. NEVER run regular 87 octane in this engine, premium only unless you have opted for our de-tuned version with a reduced compression ratio. Should you ever hear any sign of pinging or clatter in the engine when accelerating, reduce timing one or two degrees.   IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT DE-TUNING. For those with very heavy vehicles, such as 4x4 quad cab trucks, 3/4 ton trucks, and crew cab/ex-cab trucks, Suburbans, plus trucks that may do light to medium trailer towing, we strongly recommend the de-tuned version of this engine.   For those wanting to run a supercharger, we recommend our extra deep dish pistons with the 75cc heads regardless of the vehicle.      Our machinists have many years of experience in building racing engines. This very critical work is done to exacting specs and with great care. Many vendors do not have machinists with the experience or the proper equipment that we are fortunate to have. We have built engines that cost upwards of $50,000. All of our engine builders have been in the engine machining and engine building line of work for their entire working lives. Their ages range from 38 to 65. We have a total of seven machinists/engine builders. We have dyno tested the original creation of this engine with every cam and intake choice available extensively. We now include the engine test mule run at no additional cost. The engine is thoroughly tested for leaks, vibration, unusual noises, overall engine sound and feel.   THIS ENGINE IS BUILT WITH THE BEST AVAILABLE PARTS WITH CONSIDERATION TO KEEPING THE COST OF THIS ENGINE REASONABLE. WE'VE REVIEWED WHAT THE COMPETITION IS OFFERING, AND WE'RE CONVINCED THAT WE ARE OFFERING THE BEST VALUE FOR THE MONEY. WARRANTY INFORMATION   This engine is warranted, with limitations and exclusions as set forth below, for two years from date of sale.   Should a major problem arise with this engine within the first year of use, the warranty covers all parts and labor and we will pay for shipping the engine both ways.  Keep the crate your engine came in to ensure a safe return to our workshop. We do not cover the removal or re-installation of the engine at any time during the warranty period.  Our engines must be used with a rev limiter. Should warranty issues arise, proof of the rev limiter use will be required. Should a problem occur in the first year of the warranty that we determine can be repaired by you or a qualified repair shop, upon our written approval, we will pay for the repair based on our in-house hourly rates for labor and our estimate of a reasonable amount of time to make the repair with the engine on a stand as you received it. To be specific, due to the difficulty of accessing certain engine parts in some vehicles, we are not responsible for the additional time and labor costs you may incur in removing and replacing such parts. In the second year, the warranty will cover all parts minus any labor to remove and install needed parts. The cost of shipping the engine to us is not covered in the second year of warranty. Tuning or maintenance are not covered under the warranty. Tuning includes jetting or adjusting the carb, ignition timing, or readjusting the rockers. Tuning would also include changing out plugs to optimize temp range for your needs. Setting ignition timing is also considered tuning. You must check the timing on this engine before it is driven. If you are not satisfied with the cam or intake you have chosen, we will exchange any of these items for up to 60 days. You will pay for shipping and any required labor. Damage due to overheating, detonation or extreme abuse will not be covered by the warranty. Detonation damage is evident upon removal of the cyl. heads.  Engines used in marine applications will have a limited warranty of ONE year from date of sale. The first six months will cover parts and labor, and the second half of the one year period will cover parts only. Marine engines must upgrade to a 4340 crank unless the engine already comes with this, and the ARP-2000 rod bolts. All external items on the engine, such as the carburetor, distributor, alternator, water pump, and power steering pump, will be warranted for the time period specified by the manufacturer. Most of these items have a warranty of one year or less. Our engines are custom built to your specifications (e.g., cam choice, intake, engine color, compression ratio, and upgrades).   You can enjoy your engine with occasional spirited driving, as it is well designed for it, but we will not cover damage caused by racing or improper tuning. A rev limiter and fuel to air ratio monitoring device must be used on this engine. The rev limiter should be set to cut off at its peak horsepower or less if you choose, and this should allow many years of service without a problem. Your carb should be tuned to allow the correct fuel to air ratio. This ratio can vary depending on many factors such as altitude, vehicle weight, gearing, type of driving, etc. These values should be in the recommended safe zone. Pre-Installation/Pre-Run Recommendations.    It is highly recommended that you re-torque the intake manifold. The gasket sealant tends to shrink after a period of time and this may cause the intake bolts to lose their proper torque values. The torque range is approx. 25-30 lbs.  The spark plug gaps should all be re-checked. For those running an HEI distributor, the plug gap should be approx. .040-.045 Those running an MSD 6AL unit should gap the plugs to approx. .035-.040 These values are very controversial and you may experiment as to what runs best in your engine. Widening the gap too much can put a strain on the ignition components. Be sure your plug wires are completely fastened onto the spark plugs.  Check your flexplate or flywheel bolts.  Check fuel bowl levels in the sight glass on the carb once you have the engine running. Be sure your fuel pressure is set in the correct range. Adjust the choke on the carb. We would prefer you set the choke to a loose setting. Setting it tightly may allow it do its job better, but can cause engine damage over a period of time due to excess fuel entering the engine upon warm up. Be sure to use a high quality fuel filter.    You may not find a problem with any of the items mentioned above, but considering the small amount of time it takes to check them, we find it to be a valuable preventive measure.  As it's been said, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." Continue reading for more detailed information on timing and carburetion. You must follow the oil recommendations listed below. Tuning, maintenance, and oil recommendations.              This engine must be maintained with oil specifically designed for high performance engines. The life of the engine can be greatly extended if you run a race grade engine oil such as our Schaeffer brand racing oil. We strongly recommend the Schaeffer Micron Moly 20w-50 grade in warm to hot weather or you may run the 10w-30 weight Schaeffer Supreme 7000 series semi synthetic oil in cooler weather. The part number for this oil is 709-06 for the six qt. case or 709-12 for the full case. After the engine is fully broken in, you may move over the Schaeffer full synthetic oil. The Schaeffer brand oil is very highly rated. It is the only brand of oil we use when dyno tuning. Racing oil must be changed more often than conventional oil. Every 2000 miles or less would be optimal. We offer a full line of this oil in our other listings.  Here is a brief outline of the average additive levels in the Schaeffer Oils as compared to Valvoline VR1. We only use Schaeffer oil in our dyno room, and strongly recommend its use in our engines. The 10W-30 7000 series oil is totally acceptable to use in one of our brand new engines. It will not interfere with the break-in process. The 20W-50 Micron Moly is also an excellent choice to use in warm weather.   ​Schaeffer ​191 Micron Moly Racing Oil Zinc = 1900 ppm Phosphorus = 1800 ppm Soluble Moly = 350 ppm   ​Schaeffer ​709 Racing Oil 10W30 Zinc = 2100 ppm Phosphorus = 1800 ppm Moly = 350 ppm   Valvoline VR1 20W50 Zinc = 1400 ppm Phosphorus 1300 ppm ​ Valvoline VR1 10W30 Zinc = 1100 ppm Phosphorus = 1000 ppm   A couple of things worth mentioning: Valvoline VR1 doesn't report any Moly in their oil. Schaeffer uses a soluble form of Moly that bonds to metal under heat, pressure, and movement.  Once fully bonded, it takes over 500,000 psi per square inch. Schaeffer Oil has the best base stocks and additives that make it the best oil on the market. This engine does not come with oil in it. The oil that was used during the test run or dyno tuning will be drained as this is required by the shipping companies. We also prefer draining the oil as this gives us a chance to examine it for metal particles. The filter is removed and is also closely examined for metal particles or debris.  To prevent oil from dripping onto the shipping pallet, we re-install an extended life high quality oil filter. This oil filter that we supply has an internal by-pass valve in it and is rated at 25 micron filtration. Run the oil and filter for a period of approx. 500 miles.  You may wonder why we're using an extended life oil filter but want it replaced in such a short period. These extended life oil filters are an excellent choice for a new engine. They have a much larger capacity for the higher amount of debris developed from the new engine without affecting the oil flow volume. They also have better designed bypass valves and stronger cases on them. All of these features are essential to a new engine.  When replacing the filter with one of your choice, you must use a high quality oil filter that has a by-pass valve in it. Some filters may also have an anti-drainback valve on them, but they are not necessary on V-8 Chevy engines, but the bypass valve feature is a must. Our engines are now equipped with a billet oil filter adapter that requires the use of an oil filter that has its own by-pass valve in it. Always opt for the medium length version, as this will help maintain oil pressure and volume much better than the short version. If your headers are an issue with the medium length filter, then the shorty version is acceptable. See our listings for the recommended oil filters.      Billet aluminum oil filter adapter. Racing oil filters such as the Wix Racing oil filter may only be used after the engine is completely broken in. These racing filters have a very loose media and provide very little resistance and a high oil flow volume, but due to the loose media, they don't filter small particles of debris from the oil. They are only to be used on engines that do not see high mileage use, and have gone through one or two oil changes with low micron rated filters.  Oil pressure of 50-60 lbs in the upper rpm range on a fully warmed up engine is nothing to worry about. You may also notice that oil pressure drops at idle to approx 25-30 lbs when the engine is fully warmed up during very hot weather. This is somewhat common and no cause for alarm. If your engine has a Dart Big M block, then it has priority main oiling. This block routes the oil in a very different pathway compared to a GM block. The mains and rod bearings as well as the crankshaft are well protected with an ample supply of oil even when the oil pressure numbers are lower than you think they should be.  There are many special additives in race grade oils that are not in conventional oil. These additives are very valuable for high performance engines. Never add anything to racing oil. This oil has exactly what is needed to protect a high performance engine. Some of these oils will state that they are low or possibly non-detergent, and that is a desirable trait of racing oil. The anti-foaming agents in race grade oils are much better than what you would find in conventional motor oil. Race grade oils have higher than normal amounts of the zinc compounds in them, and there are many components in the engine that can make great use of these additives. This engine does not include a fuel pump. This engine is best suited to operate with an electric fuel pump, with a pressure regulator set at 6-6.5 psi. A chrome block off plate will be installed on the engine. We believe that the electric fuel pump system is a superior fuel delivery system compared to a mechanical system. If you decide to run a high volume mechanical fuel pump on this engine, then you must use the special polymer fuel pump rod that we offer, and you must also use a fuel pressure regulator, and gauge, set to approx. 6.0-6.5 psi. Only use engine oils with high levels of zinc compounds in them when running a mechanical fuel pump. This will protect the eccentric fuel pump lobe on the camshaft. We strongly recommend the Schaeffer Racing oil. See our other listings for this oil.  You must use a rev-limiter on this engine. Should you have a warranty issue, proof will be required.  A rev-limiter will allow you the freedom to drive without having to monitor the tach. Every car from the factory has this feature. Set the limiter to the peak hp rating of this engine or less for added protection.  We strongly recommend using a crankcase ventilation system to pull gases from the crankcase. The exhaust evac system we recommend is made by Moroso. The benefits are numerous as compared to the typical pcv system. Oil leaks are greatly reduced by using the exhaust evac system. Engine break in: As soon as your engine is installed, check and reset the timing if needed. Drive safely please but keep your engine under load more than normal and bring the rpm up and back down to seat the rings much better and faster. This allows the rings to expand in a perfect circle and with greater pressure against the cylinder walls to establish an even wear pattern. This is why race engines are dynoed: to put a good number of passes on the engine under heavy load, as this will partially seat the rings very quickly, making the engine somewhat ready for racing. Failing to do this not only delays the break-in, but can permanently stop the engine from establishing a good wear pattern on the cylinder walls. If you have opted for our dyno-tuned version of this engine, then ring seating will be partially established. The dyno has a computer controlled break-in mode that we use before doing any dyno testing for power output. Should you opt for the dyno tuning package, it does not mean that your engine is ready for full synthetic racing oil. Your engine will continue to seat the rings in to an even higher degree after 300-500 miles of driving. VERY IMPORTANT NOTICE. You must prime your new oil filter. Priming is not needed when changing oil on a well broken-in warm engine that has been running moments before changing the oil. If your new engine has been sitting around for weeks, or possibly months, then you must prime the oil filter. If your engine is equipped with the 7 qt. Champ oil pan, it has kickouts that swell outward approx. 3 inches on each side. If you think you will encounter clearance issues with the kickouts, we recommend opting for the stock appearing 5 qt. oil pan. The 5 qt. pan will still be a Champ pan and will have the windage tray and crank scraper. We strongly recommend reducing the amount of oil used in these oil pans by approx. 1/4th of a quart. Doing this may reduce the chance of oil leaks and reduce oil temps. The larger counter weights used on stroker crankshafts are why we recommend reducing the oil capacity in these engines. The higher capacity 7 quart oil pan is an optional upgrade on some of our engines.  Our engines include a dipstick. It's very important that you re-calibrate the oil level marking on the dipstick. This is due to the fact that the dipstick, oil pan, and block are all made from various manufacturers and we often see great variances. Couple this with the fact that you may be running a reduced amount of oil, and the "full" mark on the dipstick will most likely not indicate correctly. Once you have put a predetermined amount of oil in your engine, and run it for a few minutes, let it sit for awhile on level ground, check the oil, and mark your dipstick with a flat file to re-establish the full mark. More tuning recommendations. Very important. You must be sure that your air to fuel ratio is correct. We strongly recommend purchasing a fuel to air ratio monitor. Proper carb jetting is also a must. If you purchased the dyno package from us then the fuel to air ratio on your carburetor will be tuned within the safe ranges.  If you are using your own carb. on this engine, then you must be sure the fuel to air ratio is correct. If your carb is running too lean, detonation is at your door. If it is excessively rich, cylinder wash-down from excessive fuel will destroy your bore finish, pistons, and rings quickly, not to mention cause excessive fuel consumption. A tad on the rich side is not a problem and can help resist detonation; a tad on the lean side will generate the most power and increase fuel mileage. The optimal air to fuel ratio is approx. 13:1 Set total timing at 30-34 degrees. Total timing refers to the reading at 4500 rpm with the vac. advance disconnected. The closer to the lower number (30 degrees) the total timing is, the safer your engine will be. Do not worry about initial timing, as it will be determined by the total timing.  We do not recommend running the vacuum advance with this engine.  Be sure to have a high amperage battery and high quality starter. The battery must be 850 cca or more. Use heavy gauge battery cables. If you have a hard cranking issue, purchase an in-car timing controller or ignition kill switch. This will allow you to control your timing for optimal performance and ease of starting.    Do not run regular gas in this engine, no matter how much you have reduced the timing. It may not be enough! You may have run an old car in the past that pinged and clattered under load for many miles, and this didn't seem to hurt it. Most cars from the 60's and 70's had very low compression, especially when nearly worn out, and this is why the detonation did not destroy the engine. Excessive pinging, spark knock or valve clatter, as it's often referred to, may destroy this engine very quickly. Light pinging now and then is unlikely to do any damage, but it certainly will when there is an excessive amount of it under load.   Let any engine with compression numbers above 10:1 clatter and ping for very long, and you will lose the engine due to detonation, and in some cases this can happen very quickly.   Spark Plugs: We recommend the Autolite brand, part number Autolite 3923. Most of our engines include the correct spark plugs. We also offer a premium NGK plug that is highly suitable for this engine when running in very hot climate. Race grade plugs are fine as they have a few features that are desirable for certain types of driving. Keep the temp in the low to middle range. Use a plug that's too hot, and you are once again close to detonation/pre-ignition; use a plug that's too cold and they will foul constantly, run poorly when cruising at low speed, and be difficult to start. Most of our engines come with spark plugs in them, depending on the package you purchase. You may also use NGK part # NGK 4554, a plug that is one step lower in heat range than the Autolite plug. The NGK plug is only to be run during very hot weather.  You would be amazed at how much better an engine will run with the correct spark plugs installed, but brand name has little do with this. It's more to do with heat range than any other factor. Factors such as outside temp, altitude, compression ratio, and the type of driving you do determine the temp range to run. A slight loss of power is also an issue with plugs that are too cold, as well as possible difficulty in starting. However, you can have much more serious issues by running plugs with high temp ranges.  Keep the engine coolant temp as low as possible, but it is not a problem if it runs as high as 210 on very hot days, as long as it's consistent, and not climbing. Never use any of the modern day type antifreeze formulas that are used in most newer cars. This will most likely destroy the gasket material used in these engines. We have a customer that used the orange colored antifreeze made for Toyota trucks as he happened to have this on hand. This led to a failure of the high quality Felpro intake gaskets. The print seal material was partially dissolved allowing great amounts of coolant into the combustion chamber. This led to a catastrophic engine failure. The correct type of antifreeze to use should be ethylene glycol based, usually green colored. There are some animal safe substitutes on the market that should be ok to use. A mixture of 50/50 or even slightly less antifreeze will cool the engine better than a rich mixture of antifreeze. Keep the engine temp down if possible, but don't worry if you can't get it below 210 on a hot summer day. The cooler you keep the engine, the lower the risk of detonation. Set engine idle at approx. 900-950, and never too far below this unless you are running the smaller engine cam choices. The reduced size cams would allow for a lower idle speed. Never let the engine idle for excessively long periods during the break-in period. Do not overfill with engine oil. Slightly less than normal is better than too much, in most cases. Using half a quart less oil can greatly reduce potential oil leaks. This is a common practice in many high performance engines. When setting your carb choke, we recommend setting it on the mild/lean side. It is best for the choke to open up to its full straight up position as quickly as possible. Keep backing it off until cold starting becomes difficult. Quickfuel brand carbs are best to run. They are also suitable for use on engines running a mechanical or electric fuel pump. If the choke is set up on the aggressive side, it will create an over-rich condition upon every cold start-up and warm-up. This over-rich condition is very damaging to an engine, and will waste fuel. If you feel you can get by without using the choke, then by all means do without it! The modern day carbs actually do well with very little or no choke. With a few pumps of the throttle and a bit of feathering, the throttle will have you off and going smoothly, in most cases with very little or no choking at all.  Hydraulic roller setups are virtually maintenance-free and require little if any maintenance.   Our recommendations will change from time to time. We never stop trying to build a better engine, and we learn from our own experiences and from feedback from our customers. We know there's always room for improvement. We're always working on research and development, as does any successful business. We advise checking out the recommendation section of our engine ads on a regular basis.  Why have we given such detailed information on our warranty and maintenance suggestions? Some customers bought our engines and did not fully understand our warranty and the maintenance needs of the engines. Not knowing is understandable, but failing to educate yourself on the do's and don'ts is asking for problems.  We suggest joining a few good car forums, as they have a wealth of great information. However, beware of some individuals on forums who think they know it all, and really know very little.  Do your research using several sources, and be sure to read between the lines. Special note. For engines equipped with special order solid roller cams, the warranty on the valve train components is for 30 days. You may never have a problem with any of the components, but excessive street driving at cruising speed can adversely affect these components. Solid roller setups on BBC engines should not be driven for excessively long distances or for long periods of time on the street. A weekend of racing at the drag strip would likely have less of an effect on the valve train components than a 100 mile easy drive.   If you do think you will be driving significant numbers of miles, we strongly recommend staying with our hydraulic roller cam package. The warranty on the hydraulic roller cam and valve train components is the same as the rest of the engine.  See our other listings for info on all of our engines. Skip White Your engine booklet will include the balance sheet and other information on this engine such as cam card, and your invoice will show your personal selection of the options offered. We usually mail this out prior to shipping the engine.  Many have asked why we're able to sell such an engine for such a great price. It's because we're a major distribution center for all of the parts used in this engine, as well as a full scale machine shop. Our purchase price for the parts used in this and all of our engines are at master warehouse distributor (WD) pricing. Few machine shops ever get to master-wd pricing. We also believe in keeping our profit levels low enough to allow the working man a chance to build his car the way it should be built. Your selection of what type transmission you're going to use with your new engine is very important. I'm going to give you the real lowdown on what transmissions I recommend, as well as the ones I would stay away from. For those building a mild, (detuned) street rod, (small cam choice, dual plane intake) these recommendations are not as critical. We offer an excellent line of automatic performance rated transmissions built by TCI. The quality and cost are excellent. Transmission Recommendations by Skip White 700R4: Worst possible transmission choice when used with moderate to high horse power engines.  Pros. Driving at 50 and above in overdrive certainly has its advantages such as increased fuel mileage, reduced wear and tear on the engine, less engine noise, reduced emissions/pollution.   Fuel injection/EFI does make this transmission operate much better providing the cam choice, intake manifold and final gearing are setup correctly. To setup an engine to operate properly with this transmission requires a detuning of the engine and top end horse power is greatly reduced.  Cons Very wide first to second gear spread. First gear is a 3.06 ratio Second is a 1.62 ratio. This nearly equates to skipping from first to third gear with a manual trans. This kills acceleration when these trans go into second gear on a carbureted engine with a healthy cam and large runner intake manifold. Compare this to a TH350. First gear at 2.52 ratio and second gear is 1.52, do the math. The 3.06 first gear is so low that any final gear of above 3.55 or numerically higher will have you right at the  max rpm at around 35 mph, only to then have your car fall on its face when it hits second gear, feeling like it skipped a gear. Wheel spin is uncontrollable upon hard launches, unless you have a very tall final gear, and then you can for sure count on going nowhere quickly when second gear comes in. Overdrive would be totally useless at highway speed regardless of detuning with a tall final gear, unless you were cruising at around 100 mph. Huge cost to build up to a decent street rod level. Don't even consider a stock rebuild to handle 500 hp or more. Under hard use, the 700R4 will fail quickly.  Limited as to what level these can be built up to. High performance transmission builders and parts suppliers don't even recognize this as a serious transmission. More complex to build than a TH350 and far more expensive, especially when built up to handle high hp numbers. Having to run a cumbersome throttle value cable to the carb. linkage. This feature actually serves a good purpose, but if not set properly, it can destroy your transmission quickly. Very critical adjustment, and often overlooked. Our TCI built 700R4 transmissions do not require the throttle value cable should you decide to run this type trans.  The overdrive is actually useless with engines running decent size cams relative to the cubic inch, especially with large runner dual plane intakes, and single plane intakes are out of the question with this trans. The exception to this rule would be those running a Holley Sniper EFI system, and a low profile single plane intake.  Stall converters are double the cost of the one run in a TH350. This is  not a very reliable transmission in a street rod. Lowers the value of your vehicle to some degree, especially on high hp builds. These transmissions do not belong in most carbureted street rods. You must detune an engine considerably to operate the overdrive and be able to tolerate the first to second gear drop. Could be classified as the worst mismatch of parts known on a true street rod. As a side note, I would like to mention that most of us have owned a regular stock street car with a 700R4 trans, or its electronic likeness, a 4L60E, and didn't find much of an issue with the way they operated, especially if the vehicle was fuel injected. This is because stock car engines are designed to operate totally different in the very low rpm range. They have huge amounts of off idle torque compared to the average carbureted street rod that makes 400 hp or more. This off idle instant torque allows the vehicle to keep its speed up decently when the 700R4 drops into second gear, and the same low rpm also allows the overdrive gear to operate normally at very low rpm. There are other factors that also allow these trans. to operate at low rpm, especially on fuel injected computer driven engines. TH350: Best transmission choice, hands down. Pros Excellent gear spread between all three gears. Very low cost to build up to various levels of power handling. Can be built up to extreme power handling capabilities. Most all transmission shops are capable of building these to at least level 1 or 2. No TV cable to deal with. Stall converters are low in cost, and the selection is broad.  Very reliable and simple to repair if needed. Cons None, simply none! Select a final gear that will allow you the best overall performance and one that allows a decent off the line acceleration, and one that will be in a tolerable rpm range at highway speed. You must have the correct stall converter for optimal performance. This can make a huge difference in the way your vehicle accelerates. These are becoming scarce, but there are still plenty of them around, and high performance parts are easily obtained. You may have to go through this long story to your less than knowledgeable friends as to why you didn't choose a 700R4, and when you explain it to them, they may still think you don't know what you're talking about. TH400, Excellent choice for high powered engines in heavy cars or trucks.  Pros Excellent gear spread. Very similar to a TH350. Very strong internal parts. Reliable. Simple and inexpensive to rebuild or repair. Best suited when running high powered big block engines in medium to heavy vehicles. Cons Somewhat expensive to build up to higher power handling levels, as compared to a TH350. The TH350 has far more high performance parts available at reasonable costs. The 400 trans is not best suited for racing. Internal rotating parts (cast iron drum) are very heavy and create a drag compared to most any other trans. The TH400 is well known to be a heavier duty trans. than a TH350 but this heavy duty factor was designed more for heavy vehicles coupled with high powered engines that may encounter pulling heavy loads or vehicles with tall gearing. Only the largest of the GM cars weighing around 5000 lbs had these trans. in them, along with heavy duty pickups, usually 3/4 ton or larger trucks. Even the half ton Chevy trucks didn't come with these in them. They will certainly hold up better than a stock built TH350, but they are not a desirable trans. light weight street rod with a small block engine in it. You can build a TH350 to level two or three that would be superior to any stock TH400 in every way for about the same cost. We offer the TH400 trans built to level 3 and this trans. is best suited in high powered big block engines, in cars that are medium to heavy weight. You will seldom see this trans in a true light weight Pro-Street car. Powerglide.  Pros Excellent transmission to build up to just about any power handling level. Most trans. shops are able to build this trans with ease. Very reliable, and simple to work on. Not much to go wrong. Decent first to second gear spread. Rotational drag is very low with this trans., more so than any automatic on the market. Very efficient trans. Stall converters are not expensive and many choices available. Often used in 1/8 mile drag racing.  Cons Two gears, that's the problem. This trans. can only be run in cars that have a very high hp to weight ratio. It would be fair to say a vehicle weighing approx. 3400 lbs would require an engine output of 1000 hp or more to make it a rational choice, and even then, you would still need a decent final gear to get things moving off the line. The first gear in these is somewhat tall. Those running a T-Bucket roadster weighing around 1800 lbs. with a 500 hp or higher engine could make great use of a Powerglide trans. Having only two gears limits having the best of both worlds when it comes to off the line acceleration and cruising at highway speed. The final gear choice limits the general use of your car greatly.  This trans. will not allow a car to be setup for the best of both worlds, such as street cruising, racing, or highway driving, unless the car is extremely light, and the engine has very high HP numbers. GM METRIC 200  Pros Has a better gear spread than the 700R4 but not as optimal as the TH350. Not much good to say about this trans. It certainly has a place in some special late model applications, but old school Chevy engines is not one of them. Cons This transmission can cost up to three times more to build up to a decent power handling level compared to a built up TH350. Cannot hold up to high torque engine builds unless an enormous amount of money, (Art Carr) is spent on this trans. Most all the cons you see for the 700R4 exist within this trans. This trans is not a reliable trans. compared to any of the early GM trans unless a great amount of money is spent building it. 4L60E Electronically controlled trans.  Pros No TV cable to deal with or shifting linkage. It has pump pressure control and shifting via electronics. Not much good to say about this expensive trans. It is virtually a 700R4 with a modern twist. The same "pros" mentioned with the 700R4 would apply to this trans. also. The 4L80E trans. is a better choice due to the fact it has a proper gear spread, and is a much heavier duty trans vs the 4L60E.   Cons Most of the same issues as the 700R4. Terrible choice to run in an old school carbureted engine. Very expensive to build up to a high power handling level. Can cost up to $4,000 to build this trans up to a decent level. Computer controlled engines may require this unless you bypass the car's computer system. Complex. Very complex! Pointless to run such a terrible transmission. If you insist on such a trans, the 4L80E is a better choice, as it has a normal gear spread, and is a much stronger trans. Still pointless to use with an old school carbureted engine in my opinion. Four and five speed Manual Trans.  Pros Excellent acceleration at any speed due to many selective gear ratios. Finding a gear at any cruising speed to hit it hard is easily accomplished with a manual compared to an automatic. More efficient delivery of horse power to the rear wheels with a manual trans. versus an automatic. In other words, less loss of power due to slippage as encountered with an automatic trans. For some people, the fun factor of shifting gears is one of the high points of owning a street rod.  Very reliable, long lasting. Low maintenance. Simple to change out a clutch if needed. Cons Can be very expensive to purchase a high quality modern manual trans. and high performance clutch and flywheel, especially the Tremec Series. Can be somewhat complex to change over from an auto to a manual trans. If you think your car is going to run faster with a manual versus an auto, you will be greatly disappointed. The automatic transmission can not only shift much faster, but off line acceleration can be controlled to a much greater degree. This is why most drag cars have automatic transmissions. All things equal, a car equipped with an auto trans will outrun one equipped with a regular street rod manual with great ease. Missing gears when racing can cause damage to your engine, and loss of control of your vehicle should you drop into the previous gear during an aggressive run. Been there a couple times, dropped a valve in brand new Lotus Esprit shifting out of second into first rather than third, and locked up the back wheels on a Dodge Viper shifting into second rather than fourth at high speed. Nearly lost control of the car at around 80 mph. If you're deciding to run a 5 or 6 speed manual trans because of the overdrive gear, be aware that most engines built with large lopey cams, and single plane intakes running a carb will usually not allow effective use of the overdrive gear. Tremec T56 transmissions are very popular and highly advanced. They are expensive. They tend to be very notchy to shift when new. Takes many miles before they become easy to shift. They can be difficult to install in some early model classic cars, as they are huge compared to early model transmissions. They can cost a great deal of money to rebuild if needed. Still about the best manual trans out there, and can handle very high hp levels. The 6th gear in these transmissions is a double overdrive and will never be useful when running any old school street rod engine unless you are running a very deep final gear.  If your engine is built in the upper horsepower range, then you must run a level two or three clutch kit. These clutches are notchy and lack a smooth engagement like a stock clutch. This is very noticeable, and you will adjust to this after a while. A stock clutch can not be used on any engine in the 500+ hp range.  Sadly, your wife may not be able to drive your car with a manual trans. This could be a plus in some cases. A final note. Our eBay user id is: skipwhite, and our eBay store name is whiteperformance1. You may have noticed other sellers using a similar name offering similar products. These other sellers have capitalized on our name as we see it, and many customers searching for us will inadvertently find them, thinking we are one in the same company. There is only one "Skip White." We are the original premier eBay seller under this name since approximately 2003. We have no other eBay names, nor are we associated with any other company regardless of the similarity in the name or location. Our official company name is Skip White Performance. Please see the article below for a more detailed explanation. The real story...Skip White Performance vs. White Performance & Machine I'm sure many of you have noticed there are 2 high performance engine builders in Kingsport, TN with similar names, and this has led to a great amount of confusion. We are Skip White Performance, NOT White Performance and Machine.  I'm sure many of you have noticed there are two high performance engine builders in Kingsport, TN with similar names, and this has led to a great amount of confusion. We are Skip White Performance, NOT White Performance and Machine or Marine or any other similar name. Many customers looking for us online inadvertently find them, thinking we are the same company. Definitely not...there is no connection between the two companies. We don't have a problem with free enterprise (competition). However, when the competition builds their foundation on such things as a name similarity and their supposedly long history of being in business, then we think it's about time we set the record straight. We have owned White Performance since 2003, with the exception of the machine shop, which was owned by Fred White at the time. He continued to operate the machine shop and build engines for us while we continued selling online under the eBay user ID of skipwhite and the eBay store name of whiteperformance1. Due to their limited production capability and many disagreements about the engine building process and workmanship, we opted to open a full scale machine shop of our own. Fred White began competing against us even though our contract had a no compete clause in it. Fred White sold his machine shop in 2016.  As our business grew over the years, we expanded our operation, and have become the number one street rod engine building in the nation. Due to the name similarity, many people looking for us mistakenly contacted Fred's shop. The problem continues to this day and the new owners of Fred's shop reap the benefits from this confusion between the two shops. Fortunately we stay plenty busy throughout the year, but a new problem has come up. We’re getting calls nearly on a daily basis from people that realize there are two shops in this town with very similar names and complain of serious problems in getting their engine in a timely manner from them. They think they purchased their engine or rotating assembly from us. Due to the confusion, there was an increasing amount of negative talk that is starting to reflect on our reputation within the street rod community, when in fact we have a near perfect reputation in this industry. All in all, we have been in this business for going on 21 years. By putting heart and soul in this company, we have become the number one street rod engine builder in the country. Skip White's passion has been owning and building street rods for 51 years on a personal level. The knowledge he has gained over time has allowed him to venture into this business and succeed to a very high level. As mentioned above Fred White sold his machine shop to an investor in early 2016. This investor lacks any knowledge of this industry. They continue to use the White Performance & Machine name. Fred White is no longer associated with the company in any way. Their main spiel in advertising is, "In business since 1979," when in fact, we purchased the White Performance company in 2003, with the exception of the machine shop. The great pretenders continued capitalizing from our success, but as mentioned, have been degrading our reputation. (Update, The people that took over Fred Whites machine shop are no longer in business as of the past couple years.)  FAST FORWARD TO 2023...We have become the largest street rod engine builder and supplier of rotating assemblies in the nation. Our engines, rotating assemblies, and cylinder heads are built to very high standards and shipped to our customers in a timely manner. We are a premier seller on eBay with a 100% positive feedback score of well over 212,000.   Our engines are custom-built to our customers' specifications and are shipped, in general, in 2-5 weeks, perhaps sooner, depending on the season. Our rotating assemblies ship out in about one week, and our heads ship in about a week or less. Now you know the real story, and we hope this helps with the confusion.   OUR COMPANY FOUNDERS PRO STREET HYBRID 240Z CAR. IT HAS ONE OUR BRAND NEW SBC 427 ENGINES IN IT AND ONE OF OUR TCI SUPER STREET FIGHTER TURBO 350 TRANSMISSIONS. THE CAR IS IN FULL PRO STREET TRIM. SKIP HAS THE CAR UP FOR SALE NOW. HAVE NOT HAD IT TO THE TRACK YET, BUT WE ESTIMATE IT WILL RUN A 9.5 GIVE OR TAKE. RUNS ON PUMP GAS. HE HAS OWNED IN FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS.   PAYMENT AND SHIPPING DETAILS   Contact us for shipping cost for overseas delivery. We have excellent sources for low cost shipping anywhere in the world. *Important note Any engine shipped from us to California, Washington, and Oregon will be charged a surcharge of $150.00 in addition to the regular shipping fee. We are located in Eastern Tn. and our shipping fees to those three states are much greater than any of the other states.  We have now included a flat rate shipping fee on this engine when shipped within the continental USA with the exception of the three states mentioned above. This rate only applies to delivery to a business with the capability to unload the engine without the use of a lift gate. You must have a dock or fork lift. We can have the engine delivered to a residence with lift gate service but at an additional cost.* For tech support, please use the "Ask A Question or Contact" tab.                        

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    • #47
      honestly, id do a MK-IV 454, you can easily get 500hp/500ftlb for roughly
      $4000 if you build it yourself (and this IS you so we know thats a given)
      AND its a direct bolt in swap using factory stuff--the C/K 20 and 30
      trucks from 73-87 could have come with a 454, so factory mounts and
      bracketry is readily available.

      off the shelf headers are $300/give or take, or i have a set of both truck
      or big block vette manifolds you can have (the vette ones are dorman repops...)
      i even have a performer RPM oval port intake you can have......

      just saying.

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      • #48
        For overlanding on the vast spaces you'd need a much bigger gas tank, or haul along more cans. For a given amount of distance my 454 trucks needed about 2.4 x the amount of fuel as the (built) Cummins 6BT does.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Loren View Post
          For overlanding on the vast spaces you'd need a much bigger gas tank, or haul along more cans. For a given amount of distance my 454 trucks needed about 2.4 x the amount of fuel as the (built) Cummins 6BT does.
          or pretty much any diesel.... the biggest issue I have with the 6bt is its length... I really don't want to chop into the firewall to make it fit. Great motor, for sure, but on that path I'd use a duramax - and body lift it to clear.
          Doing it all wrong since 1966

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          • #50
            Cummins just used as a real-world example of something that can run for miles and miles on a tank vs. something you can blast around in but need to fill up in a couple hours. Even in the stock 4.0 Cherokee I have to stuff extra gas along just-in-case, if I plan to be poking around in the middle-of-nowhere all day.

            With that, my choice for my Wagoneer project that I'm never going to actually do was going to be a mild gas LS based on considering all things. (Not figuring on FGZ being OK with that one...)
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            • #51
              Hey, these were sent to me this afternoon from my Electic Friends from the Concours d'Lemons Detroit.

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              • #52
                car camping done right.
                Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Loren View Post
                  Cummins just used as a real-world example of something that can run for miles and miles on a tank vs. something you can blast around in but need to fill up in a couple hours. Even in the stock 4.0 Cherokee I have to stuff extra gas along just-in-case, if I plan to be poking around in the middle-of-nowhere all day.

                  With that, my choice for my Wagoneer project that I'm never going to actually do was going to be a mild gas LS based on considering all things. (Not figuring on FGZ being OK with that one...)
                  hey, just cause i dont like them LS motors
                  (although i GET it--small, lightweight, tons
                  of power potential, strong enough for turbo
                  or blower even stock, etc...) dont mean i
                  forbid you from running one..

                  heck, that just means 1 more mk-4 bbc or a
                  1st gen sbc laying around for me!

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                  • #54
                    I actually have no practical experience w/ LS motors at this point (making me 20 years behind the curve) despite having collected up a couple, so I should not be in the business of making recommendations, it just seems like theoretically a good mix of all things...power, efficiency, and for a smaller SUV, not weighing a thousand pounds. First thing I read in race-car books; everything about a vehicle is a compromise for its' intended purpose.
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                    • #55
                      focus guys, (yeah, I know it's bangshift).... diesel or BBC.... and by BBC I mean 496 ci 8.1 motor.
                      Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                      • #56
                        I pulled the trigger on a Hummer H1 take out motor (6.5 TD) from someone in San Diego.
                        Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                        • #57
                          Better get two !!!
                          Our local Bar & Grill owner,
                          A Army Motor Pool Veteran,
                          Because of HER small stature had Swapping out engines to a science !!
                          She said they're known for "Field Failures"
                          Something about a cooling system problem
                          On the right side if I remember correctly.......

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Captain View Post
                            Better get two !!!
                            Our local Bar & Grill owner,
                            A Army Motor Pool Veteran,
                            Because of HER small stature had Swapping out engines to a science !!
                            She said they're known for "Field Failures"
                            Something about a cooling system problem
                            On the right side if I remember correctly.......

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                            I've had.... a lot of these.... 8? maybe 10? no... at least 12. I know these and really like them. Right now I own 4.

                            So yep, if you overheat them there is nothing but badness in your life
                            - problem is the way the early ones (pre-97) were cooled - the system isn't balanced right/left. There's a simple fix, replace the water pump with a post 97 pump.
                            Also, head gaskets
                            - torque to yield bolts are not happy if you turn the boost up even a little bit (7 psi stock, 11 psi head lifts)
                            - fix, arp studs
                            back to cooling issues
                            - the block will crack if overheated
                            - stitch repairs (pretty cool tech)
                            broken cranks
                            - the balancer doesn't keep its ring in place so an already hard-to-balance motor has a problem. Add to that the redline is 3400 rpm but people wind them up far farther than that... you have the problem my current motor has.
                            - fix is a fluid damper

                            there's a bunch of other things - but
                            there are literally millions of these out there and countless have moved our troops (albeit slowly) out of harms way - whatever problems there are have well-known fixes.

                            OR
                            don't drive like a Debbie. Don't overheat the vehicle, don't run it out of oil, don't turn up the turbo without doing minor upgrades

                            OR buy the Navistar or GM 'Optimizer' motors that were built starting in 2001. Had this motor been an optimizer, it'd be 8-11k.... I didn't pay anywhere near this but many of the repairs were done by 99.

                            Stock, these motors run for 400,000 miles. I know, I sold a motor that I ran from mile number 100,000 and pulled at 400,000 - where I sold it to someone else who I knew and ran it for another 200,000 - and then it was pulled from what was left of that squarebody and I know it was installed in something else but lost track of it. Don't overheat them, take care of them.

                            oh and the only 'service' at that level was the guy I sold it to replaced the timing chain as preventative maintenance.

                            This motor has 35k on it and I'll probably pull the head studs and replace them with ARP studs - also, once I get it, I'll do a photo montage of the differences between the H1 diesel and pickup diesels. I had a 6.5 diesel van, those are different too (all external differences to fit the application)... oh wait, forgot about the vans, what are we at 16, double that number.... I've had at least 32 of these... not to mention the several I helped keep running for friends and random acquaintances.
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                            • #59
                              All-else being equal, having a motor that's super-familiar to you is the best way to travel. You know what to fix.

                              If you're not in a hurry I'm headed as far as the Sacramento area during the holidays.
                              Last edited by Loren; September 30, 2022, 09:17 AM.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Loren View Post
                                All-else being equal, having a motor that's super-familiar to you is the best way to travel. You know what to fix.

                                If you're not in a hurry I'm headed as far as the Sacramento area during the holidays.
                                I thought about looking for a relay, but I'll just pay the shipping

                                I'll be down in Cali in March and I have a very good friend who lives near Sac - but sometimes, I just don't feel like working that hard.

                                nice bonus here is that it's a 4L80e trans attached to it - yes, have to change either the adapter and gear in the transfer case (or buy another NP208), but the 4L80 is so much better of a trans then a 700r4
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