65 GTO

[Thumpin455]

Three years of driving it, its been ten years since I started on it, getting another 700R4 from a diesel 3/4 ton suburban put in with a 2400 stall should make it more fun next summer. I noticed photobucket blurred them and there are no watermarks when you go to the site, so I downloaded all the pics I had on there, because I lost the hard drive data that had all those on it.

Started this project in November 09... A lot has happened since then.

[DanStokes]

Great to hear from you! Yes, there HAS been a lot of water over the dam since that project kicked off. Hope life is good for you. Please stay in touch - I, for one, value you and your input. You're my go-to Pontiac guy as well as storage container house builder.

EDIT: I just went back and looked at the start date for Mutt - December 2012, so 7 years. Lots of water over THAT dam, too!

Dan

[Thumpin455]

Well Dan, since I am back in the car thing, chances are I will be making the videos people been pestering me about for the last few years. The house is coming along, though I freeze my ass off when its under 20F here. Got a break today with temps near 30. I am ready to move back to Nebraska where I can do more car related activities for a longer time every year.

Here is the yard where some of the cars are parked.

[DanStokes]

That looks like the UP! There's a reason I no longer live in MI (even though I was always a troll).

Dan

[Dan Barlow]

Wow real accumulation already !

[Thumpin455]

Wow real accumulation already !

I got 2ft the first week of November, wasn't ready to put the Goat away but after the salt goes on the road it doesn't move until May. I'll get lots more before it starts to melt in mid April.

[Deaf Bob]

Started salting roads here in OR in the last couple years. Too many from other states come here and force the policy of salt is better... In ODOT, or govmnt offices.. Thankfully it rains enough I can stay home till it does..

[Thumpin455]

I'm throwing this pic of one of my E85 Qjets on here so I can show people how clean they are after a decade of running ethanol.

[Captain]

Just asking,
Ethanol, or Methanol.
Methanol is used as a Racing Fuel Here.
Both are referred as Alcohol.

As for Ethanol in pump gas has NOT worked out well for me. Ruined a Outboard motor, had to replace carbs on my riding garden tractors, mowers, etc. The small engine dealer will not sell you a rebuild kit only if you insist. Has 2 - 5 gallon buckets full of carbs by the door, FREE FOR THE TAKING !!

my 2 bits (from experience)

[Deaf Bob]

Captain, put Sta-bil in your gas for small engines with ethanol and gas.. I use non ethanol for all my small engines (chain saws, mowers etc) and Sta-bil and have no more carb problems..

[Captain]

Thank You.
yes I religiously use Stabil or Seafoam and we can get non ethanol gas here.
ONLY the Daily Driver get 10% ethanol pump gas as it is usually used up in a week to 10 days.
But there was a couple of years here you could only get 10% ethanol pump gas. Non Ethanol was available like Racing Fuel, at the distributors tank farm.

[Thumpin455]

Thank You.
yes I religiously use Stabil or Seafoam and we can get non ethanol gas here.
ONLY the Daily Driver get 10% ethanol pump gas as it is usually used up in a week to 10 days.
But there was a couple of years here you could only get 10% ethanol pump gas. Non Ethanol was available like Racing Fuel, at the distributors tank farm.

I don't use any of that. No need to at all. The additives are what causes problems, not ethanol.

https://www.onallcylinders.com/2018/05/25/ask-away-jeff-smith-e85-pump-gas-additives-not-ethanol-cause-corrosion/

Ethanol is simply vodka, the exact same stuff you drink in a screwdriver. Beer, wine, whiskey, those fruity things the ladies like so much... all of it is ethanol.
Methanol is highly corrosive to aluminum, rubber and non stainless steel. It is also highly toxic and as little as a tenth of a CC will kill you.

Most people confuse or conflate ethanol with methanol and they have no idea what the difference is. They assume alcohol is all the same, but isopropyl, and beeswax are also alcohol. If there was a problem with ethanol that Qjet I posted the pic of would definitely have it. This pic shows the chemical difference between methanol and ethanol. Almost everything you've heard or read about ethanol that is negative is either wrong, misinformation, or blown massively out of proportion.

It handles high compression easily. 13:1 and driving around daily on the street is my reality, and when gasoline was $3.40 here, E85 was $2.25 two hours away at the closest station that sells it. Compare that to C16 race gas, which is what you need for over 13:1 with one of my Pontiacs and the price difference is massive. Also the 455 in my GTO right now likes 42-45 degrees of advance on E85, on VP red and Sunoco 110 octane race gas those same heads on another 455 liked 52 total, at 11.5:1 compression. It would rattle itself to death in a few minutes on pump gas, and when we backed the timing down to 32-38, it lost an entire second in the quarter mile, and 5mph..

It makes more power than gasoline. Even on a low compression smog era engine. They can't test it very well, but it makes even more off idle under 3000rpm.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hppp-1109-testing-different-fuel/

Rockett Brand Base Fuel
QFT carburetor, 69/79 jets, 32 degrees BTDC
Average power from 3,500 to 5,000 rpm is 399.78 hp and 496.29 lb-ft of torque
RPM	TQ	HP	BSFC
3,000	528.5	301.9	0.51
3,100	527.7	311.5	0.48
3,200	527.1	321.1	0.47
3,300	525.2	330.0	0.46
3,400	524.1	339.3	0.47
3,500	523.6	349.0	0.47
3,600	519.7	356.2	0.47
3,700	517.8	364.8	0.47
3,800	515.3	372.8	0.46
3,900	515.6	382.8	0.46
4,000	511.5	389.6	0.47
4,100	509.9	398.0	0.46
4,200	505.6	404.4	0.46
4,300	498.1	407.8	0.47
4,400	491.7	411.9	0.47
4,500	486.3	416.7	0.47
4,600	480.9	421.1	0.47
4,700	475.8	425.8	0.47
4,800	470.0	429.6	0.48
4,900	462.0	431.1	0.48
5,000	456.8	434.8	0.48
5,100	449.1	436.1	0.49
5,200	442.2	437.8	0.49
5,300	433.6	437.6	0.50

Rockett Brand E85
QFT E85 carburetor, 78/88 jets, 32 degrees BTDC
Average power from 3,500 to 5,000 rpm is 408.38 hp and 507.07 lb-ft of torque.
RPM	TQ	HP	BSFC
3,000	547.4	312.7	0.68
3,100	548.6	323.8	0.66
3,200	547.1	333.4	0.65
3,300	544.3	342.0	0.66
3,400	540.0	349.5	0.66
3,500	537.0	357.8	0.66
3,600	532.7	365.1	0.66
3,700	529.6	373.1	0.66
3,800	527.5	381.7	0.66
3,900	526.8	391.2	0.66
4,000	525.2	400.0	0.65
4,100	521.2	406.9	0.66
4,200	515.3	412.1	0.67
4,300	508.8	416.6	0.67
4,400	503.1	421.5	0.67
4,500	496.4	425.3	0.67
4,600	490.0	429.2	0.67
4,700	483.7	432.9	0.68
4,800	478.0	436.9	0.69
4,900	472.6	440.9	0.69
5,000	465.1	442.8	0.69
5,100	457.8	444.6	0.69
5,200	448.7	444.2	0.69

[Thumpin455]

I run E85 and straight ethanol in a generator, chainsaws, and lawnmowers. There is no problem with it whatsoever. With two strokes on 85%-100% you need to mix castor oil or vegetable oil with it, because two stroke oil doesn't mix with ethanol. The yellow waxy stuff that clogs carbs is an additive intended to keep it from absorbing water, which is not an issue unless you drive through a river or lake and water gets in the tank... lots of water. The little bit it gets from condensation and humidity isn't going to be enough to cause any problems.

All of the corrosion issues attributed to ethanol are NOT caused by ethanol, they are all due to other chemicals put in the fuel by the oil companies. I can;t get pump gas to last more than a handful of weeks, and I have ten year old ethanol that runs great. Its not like 12 year old scotch has gone bad, now is it?

[Captain]

Thank You,
I love Facts,
so its the additives in pump gas that has messed up my outboard, and didn't know it had a problem mixing with 2 cycle oil......
I will look at a Honda 4 stroke now

[DanStokes]

Thumpin is our ethanol guru! Brews his own, at least sometimes from cat tails (I don't know how many tail-less cats he has these days ). If I wasn't so lazy I'd follow his lead.

Dan