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  • #31
    Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

    If it has a decent running engine, I would suggest leaving that for now, and concentrate on prepping the rest of the car ... that will eat up more than enough of your funds. Lots of that gen. of Camaro / Firebird have been used as road-race cars over the years, should be lots of spares out there with some searching. From the mid-80s to the early 90s we had a great race series up here sponsored by GM Canada and Players cigarettes, basically specially prepped 1LE cars running on the production Goodyear Gatorback tires ... made for some awesome racing. Ron Fellows, Richard Spenard, and David Empringham were some of the front runners in that series.


    cheers
    Ed N.
    Ed Nicholson - Caledon Ontario - a bit NW of Toronto
    07 Mustang GT with some stuff
    88 T-Bird Turbo Coupe 5-speed

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    • #32
      Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

      I agree, ed... my initial plan is make it run... however, for budgetary purposes and project purposes I try to plan out where I'm going with the car - saves me from going one direction then back onto another (i.e. the Studebaker)...
      as for the 4 cyl .... umm, no ;D
      Doing it all wrong since 1966

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      • #33
        Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

        You did mention SCCA autocross... Read the rule book before you spend any money... A 3rd gen F-body can still be competitive on the local and regional level in ESP. I would start first on the safety and suspension. As long as the drivetrain is in good working order... You will also need tires... Go used... It is actually pretty easy to find track takeoffs in a 245/50/16 size.

        Once you have driven the car at an autocross or two, you can step up to a track day. Why? If there is anything you missed in the drivetrain or car itself, the problem will show up at the autocross... A cheap, low speed way to test out the car.

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        • #34
          Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

          good tips... sort of my plan - about the only thing that might change is if I come across a 4 speed.... I bought a three-pedal set up despite having an auto simply for that reason - I don't think the 700 is a good idea in any of the racing venues I plan on running.
          Doing it all wrong since 1966

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          • #35
            Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

            I can tell you that the 700r4 *will* cook itself, in short order, while road racing.

            I have a pile of dead ones on the floor of my garage. A world class T5 will be going in the car soon. They're not known for being strong, but I think that it'll still hold up better than the 700r4s I have burned up.

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            • #36
              Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

              progress.... ish

              as a public service announcing, I provide these pictures of work done by the PO:
              even if you cut a hole in a floor, you may not get the pump out


              when you connect the fuel pump in the tank, use the right hose


              and if you can't figure out how to solder, don't twist the ground wire to the ground


              or, simply put, don't buy a car from Ron Morell. (aka Ron Moron).

              what's frightening is I drove this driving car bomb for a bit.... between the hose that leaked on the pressure side, and the twisted, coroded wire - it's an amazing thing this thing didn't go boom.
              Doing it all wrong since 1966

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              • #37
                Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

                the good news, it has a new pump in it and it's making pumpy sounds.... the car attempts to start, but isn't there yet.... thinking it might have a spark issue since it tries to start; but backfires quite nicely (occasionally) in its attempts to start...
                Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                • #38
                  Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

                  What the Hell. :o

                  How can anyone think that's a good job is beyond me.

                  "I live for myself and I answer to nobody."

                  -Steve McQueen

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                  • #39
                    Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

                    Go turbo 3800 and use the shorter deckheight to move it down in the chassis and make a real downpipe instead of the cramped TTA compromise piece. The Ford T5's bolt up with a 4th Gen F-body bellhousing, just have to use a Ford clutch, pilot bearing, and yoke.
                    Central TEXAS Sleeper
                    USAF Physicist

                    ROA# 9790

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                    • #40
                      Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

                      I know what the problem is - question is do I fix it or do I put this off to the side until I come up with a 350 or 383? or 5.3 or Buick... or...

                      timing chain has skipped at least a couple teeth... I could fix it... but it's a 305.
                      decisions

                      think I'll do some regular work on the other rigs and come back to this one.....
                      Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                      • #41
                        Re: Road Race IROC Camaro

                        Find yourself a nice Chebbie 350 and swap it in...

                        If you plan on running the car in any SCCA autocross and you want the car to be competitive on the local level (maybe), then I would not go past ESP (class) for now.

                        Any other swap will send you to the dark side of prepared... CP and you will never be seen again, at least in the same light, lol...

                        From a cost perspective, ESP is a good place to start with this car... In ESP, per the rules you can backdate/update per the model (thirdgen, 82-92, parts can interchange). For example, if you found a fiberglass factory 82-83 hood, you could use it... Disc brake 9 bolt, can be swapped, subframe connectors are allowed (read the rules for specific installation)... 305 and 350 swaps are doable, per the rules... A swap to a manual trans, with the 350, I'm not sure (again, read the rules)...

                        If this is just for fun and you don't care where the car is classed, do as you please...

                        If it were me I would, swap the 305 for a 350 (use even) and keep the TPI.

                        Swap in a 5 speed and thrpw some good shocks, subframe connectors and the biggest factory sways you can find online (cheap). Get a good alignement and start driving the car...

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