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  • So the shop that installed it is not the one who built it? .... Kinda get the impression they didn't do it 100% correctly? Just to get it done and out with your money in their pocket? .. I have a hard time trusting shops as stuff needs to go back... My Mantis tiller needed carb workd on... Didn't feel like messing with it so took it to the shop.. Worked for 5 minutes then put it away because of rain.. Now it don't start... Siiigh! Lol

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    • well I took a couple sittings to read thru 14 pages but it was very interesting! I love these kind of projects, real cars by real people!
      any news on the trans?
      Married to Tara, that makes me the TARA-fied 1!

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      • Originally posted by Deaf Bob View Post
        So the shop that installed it is not the one who built it? .... Kinda get the impression they didn't do it 100% correctly? Just to get it done and out with your money in their pocket? .. I have a hard time trusting shops as stuff needs to go back... My Mantis tiller needed carb workd on... Didn't feel like messing with it so took it to the shop.. Worked for 5 minutes then put it away because of rain.. Now it don't start... Siiigh! Lol
        The full story on the trans as I know it:

        The guy that owns the trans shop, Wayne Bilbrey, built the trans for a guy to run in his drag car. The guy had an Olds motor thus the 200-4r for the BOP bell-housing. The guy made a couple passes (I assumed less than 10) and blew up his motor. As I understand it, he hadn't completely paid for the trans and Wayne got it back instead of the cash the guy owed him. That left Wayne holding a "Stage 3" transmission that he needed to unload. Knowing what I was looking to do with the "wragon" he offered the trans to me for what he was owed and believe me it was a deal. He gave me a warranty from the time it was installed, NOT the time of purchase which was about this time last year. The only way to realize the warranty was to let Wayne's shop install the transmission.

        I know I'm a little fish in a big pond of racers and line work customers, I'm just getting tired of waiting. The shop does good work, it's the only other place I'll let touch my fleet. If it wasn't for the question of installation error in a warranty problem, I'd have put the trans in myself.
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        • Originally posted by tarafied1 View Post
          well I took a couple sittings to read thru 14 pages but it was very interesting! I love these kind of projects, real cars by real people!
          any news on the trans?
          Thanks. I'm just trying to get something together that's fun to haul the kids around in.
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          • it's real cool. When I met my wife her dad had a Pontiac station wagon version of that body style. It was brown. Didn't think much of it way back then but would love to have it now! My wife said he had a blue one before that but she wrapped it around a telephone pole!
            Married to Tara, that makes me the TARA-fied 1!

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            • I've had other things on my plate since the wragon was at the trans shop. I bought this bbc in 2012 about four months before finding the bbo. I was searching for a 455 for the Caprice but was wiling to go bbc. I happened upon this at Indiana Core, about 30 minutes from the house. I figured this would need a full rebuild but after the building the running stand and the results of the 455, I figured I could see if this would run. What did I have to lose? Worst case scenario it needs a complete rebuild and I've wasted some time and an oil change.


              The motor came complete intake to oil pan with oil cooler line included, mechanical fan to flywheel. Since I have no man-pedal vehicles I bargained with the guy and he kept the flywheel, clutch disc, and pressure plate. I took it down to a short block for inspection, measured (with a cc burette) piston deck height at TDC, chambers, head gaskets, and figured the true compression ratio. It's advertised at 9:1 and figures it mathematically too. Then it sat for two years while the wragon, 3ow7, and 455 got my attention.


              Now that the 455 & Level 3 200-4r are in the wragon, I can turn my attention to other things to play with, no to imply I'll ignore the Caprice, that's what the Monte Carlo is for.


              It's a GenVI Vortec 7.4 block with 100cc closed chamber oval port heads with 2.06/1.72 valves. I got a deal on a new Edelbrock 7561 air gap, the distributor is a good serviceable unit from the parts cabinet, the carb is another eBay deal, and a Hayes flexplate. I used the water pump that came with it, again I figured worst case scenario I'd have to change it, well, it needs to be replaced BAD. And so does the serpentine belt that came with it.


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              • Here's a video of it running it anyone's interested. The sound quality is crappy, IMO. Some how my camera makes motors sound like they are missing when they are not.

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                • a good mic costs a lot.



                  Where's the BBC headed?
                  Flying south, with a flock of bird dogs.

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                  • Since the 455 I bought in 2012 ran so good and the 3ow7 died so quick, I thought it would be a good idea to tap into my inner Randal and buy another 455 that I could build while the other one is in the car. The General stopped make the big block Olds motors for car applications in 1976 and other applications in 1978 so they are starting get hard to find at a good price. I've seen locked up rust blobs with an asking price of $300+, bare block with $600+ price tags, and they are all a 3 to 6 hour drive from me. If I was near Chicago or Cleveland, with the widespread use of these motors in boat applications, I'd have no problem picking one up at very reasonable prices, but I'm not and $200 in gas to go get one isn't something I want to do...yet. Anyway, I found a 455 at the same Indiana Core that I bought the GenVI bbc two years ago. For the same price as one of those lake city motors I got a long block with a sought after crank, another sought after crank, and another set of rods/pistons. One of the spare pistons is melted and the #3 rod bearing in the motor spun/overlapped opposite half and bit into the #4 rod bearing set too. Between the 16 rods, surely 8 are serviceable. I measured all the vital parts of this motor and while it is advertised at 8.5:1 cr from the factory, what I measured and figured on three different calculators and pencil/paper came out to 7.4:1 - 7.6:1 on every one.












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                    • With the above two projects at a good stopping point/done, I could think about the wragon again. I had to modify the factory throttle/tv bracket to get WOT with the AFB. The primary throttle shaft in the AFBs is about 1" closer to the rear mounting bolts than the primary throttle shaft of a Q-Jet. When the car went to the trans shop it never occurred to me that the new tv cable may not be the same length as the factory unit. When I found the adjuster pulled past the adjustment lock I was ready to send it back to the trans shop and he was ready to take it. He ordered a new cable for me saying the 2bbl cable is shorter than the 4bbl cable. IDK, it worked before.... So a week goes by and I got to thinking how I'd made brackets for my old '67 C20, '75 Monte Carlo, why not make a bracket for the Caprice? So that's what I did yesterday. I got in a hurry and it's not perfect but it works better than what I had. Bracket 2.0 is in the works already to correct what isn't right with the first one. This is the extension tabs initially used to get WOT with the AFB. The factory tv cable had enough adjustment in it that the move did not affect it.

                      Originally posted by 68scott385 View Post
                      decided to be pro-active instead of pro-waiting/pro-whining....






                      This is the factory bracket...



                      This is the first one I made...it's not perfect or optimal but it is functional...







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                      • Originally posted by Beagle View Post
                        a good mic costs a lot.



                        Where's the BBC headed?

                        Originally posted by 68scott385 View Post
                        In the past I've had trouble keeping all my vehicles running/operable at one time. Now I have more running motors that I have vehicles. I'm VERY confused now, never had this "conundrum" before.



                        Garage art right now.
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                        • Just to bring this up to date...

                          It took four weeks for the trans shop to install the used "level 3" transmission. The ONLY reason they got the job of / money for the install was the warranty included. Someone once told me that patience is a virtue, I said gesundheit.

                          On the drive home, about 9 miles, the speedometer started jumping around. I know the factory speedo cable needs lubrication and probably replaced but other things are more of a priority at the moment.

                          A few day later I took the car out for a leisurely drive. If I get gas at the close gas station I get the reformulated summer blend that yields less mpg or I can drive ten miles south, get a regular blend in another county, it's anywhere from ten to forty cents less per gallon, and it yields two to three more miles per gallon. Considering my truck has a thirty gallon tank the twenty mile round trip pays for itself in my mind even if barely in dollars spent for miles driven. On the return trip the speedometer was jumping around over a forty mph range and I don't have enough seat time in this car to know right off the top of my head what rpm equates to what speed. On top of that I'm not sure the tv cable isn't a little tight or converter lockup is working. Once home I had to rev it up to 3000rpm to get it to move in reverse.

                          The ASTG doesn't exactly list these symptoms together. I talked to the transmission shop about the symptoms it's exhibiting and was told to bring it in. I took it to them on 7/1. I stopped in again today to get an update on its status. Anyone want to take a wild guess at what I was told? It has no reverse. The shop has made some changes this year and is going through growing pains. I am being patient but it isn't always easy. At least it's under warranty.

                          I'm waiting on an email for an address to pick up another 455/th400 combo. The Fa block, yellow block in pictures in post #204 above, is standard bore and in decent shape but a chunk around the inner starter bolt hole has been knocked off and repaired. Supposedly the guy the did the repair does repairs for Jasper, the engine remanufacturer. I ran a tap into the bolt hole and tightened a bolt into it but it wasn't the exact starter bolt for the 3ow7 starter I used. I'm not sure where those starter bolts are, I usually keep ALL hardware and have the organizer collection for it. At first it didn't bother me but as time passed the warm fuzzy feeling isn't so strong.

                          And this is where it stands as of today, completely halted, but waiting patiently. I should be using this time to work on my long neglected project but I'm not, yet.
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                          • When abused severely in the ring, with half throttle shifts and a 1200 rpm idle the norm, reverse is pretty much always last to go.. Something is wrong with your tranny!

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                            • Originally posted by Deaf Bob View Post
                              When abused severely in the ring, with half throttle shifts and a 1200 rpm idle the norm, reverse is pretty much always last to go.. Something is wrong with your tranny!

                              That's why I took it back to the builder. I wouldn't have bought it used for the price I paid without a warranty from the time of installation, not the time of purchase. Been down that road before and learned from the experience.
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                              • After some testing (pressure gauge installed) and talking with the trans builder, the transmission needs to come back out. Lovely....this car has been an uphill battle from day one, however, it is fun to drive.

                                In reverse, cold, the line pressure is 175psi. When hot the reverse line pressure drops to 75psi and it takes a lot more rpm to move it than it should. The trans guy says it has an internal leak. Speculations on exactly what is leaking were numerous from seals/O-rings to cracked drums.
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