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  • 2007 Ford 5.4L cam phaser lockout install!

    At the tail end of last year I bought a 2007 4x4 Supercrew F-150 to serve as my daily driver. It was a super clean truck powered by a 3v 5.4L but had 128k miles on the clock. I was well aware of the cam phaser issues that Ford's 3v engine can have. At the time, I owned a 2007 Mountaineer with the 3v 4.6L which had 100k trouble free miles on it so I was not too terribly worried about it. Click image for larger version

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    This truck had the typical start up rattle that is caused by oil drain back out of the phasers. The phasers are spring loaded with a clock spring and rattle back and forth until there is sufficient oil pressure to prevent unwanted movement. There is supposed to be a locking pin that prevents this, but some do not function for whatever reason. This rattle and other issues with the VCT solenoids can lead to broken vanes in the phaser assembly, stuck phasers, loss of power, erratic idle, etc. Last week, I hopped into the truck after work and it was missing and had zero power. When I went to go pick up Jake at tennis, I pulled the codes while I was waiting. It had set several that all were related to the phasers. Left tennis to grab a bite, still running poorly, then as we were approaching a traffic light, it cleared up. Ran fine the rest of the evening until I went to pick up Jake again from a study group and it started acting funny as I was sitting in the parking lot waiting. Parked it, ordered parts and drove a company truck for the next few days.

    The hit or miss fix for this problem is to replace pretty much the entire timing system (chains, sliders, adjusters, phasers and VCT solenoids with the latest revisions from Ford. Some guys report that this fixed their truck, while others say their problems persist. The only 100% effective solution is to install phaser lockouts. Phaser lockouts are just a chunk of aluminum designed to fit in one of the spaces inside the phaser thereby locking it in the "at rest", aka "full advanced" position. (These phasers only retard cam timing, they do not advance.) There are several companies that manufacture the lockouts. I chose the ones from an ebay vendor, Forbidden Diesel Performance because they offered the lockouts, new Ford cam phaser bolts (torque to yield) and the timing chain wedge tool for $105.

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    So, Saturday I pulled the truck part way into the garage and began taking it all apart. Click image for larger version

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    Where I started! Click image for larger version

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    Coils out, harness unplugged, and power steering reservoir moved out of the way. Actually getting the valve covers off is the biggest chore of this whole project. Click image for larger version

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    Cover off. Surprise! Someone has been here before. That is a Dorman brand phaser. They are known to fail. The good news however is that the previous guy replaced the chains and guides so they should be good to go. Click image for larger version

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    I marked a link on the chain by the "R" with a sharpie and loosened the bolt. This bolt was tightened ridiculously tight. I had to clamp the cam journal with vice grips to prevent rotation in order to break it loose with my big 1/2" breaker bar. Click image for larger version

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    Chain wedge was installed tightly and the phaser was removed. Click image for larger version

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    I opened up the phaser and discovered 1 vane was already broken. Click image for larger version

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    The reason is quite evident when you look closely. For whatever reason, 1 vane in the phaser makes contact with the sprocket body before the other 4. Click image for larger version

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    I removed the broken vane and installed the lockout in the phaser. It was a snug fit. Tight enough that I needed to tap it in with a small hammer. Click image for larger version

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    You can see that some of the voids are beat up from the vanes slapping back a forth. Click image for larger version

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    Phaser reinstalled.
    Last edited by BBR; April 11, 2016, 11:37 AM.
    Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
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    1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
    1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
    1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail

  • #2
    I was just reading about this in one of the books in work, they wanted over $1,000 bucks for the kit which i believe had just DVD and the tools to do it. How does it run now?
    "I live for myself and I answer to nobody."

    -Steve McQueen

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    • #3
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      The passenger side proved to be a much bigger challenge. It took me 1.5 hours just to get the valve cover off. The ecm, ecm bracket, transmission dipstick, wiring harness, heater hoses and AC components are ALL in the way and have to be removed or worked around.
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      This phaser is the one that was causing the issue. Apparently it was stuck in the full retard position. When I loosened the bolt and wiggled it off, it snapped back and scared the crap outta me. This made reinstallation a pain because the cam was not in the proper position and had to be rotated with vice grips to match the phaser's pin location.
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      Surprisingly, there were no broken vanes in this side. I was expecting to see multiple. I went ahead and removed the vane from the position that makes contact first and installed the lockout in the same position as I did on the driver's side. Again it was a snug fit and required a light tap to slide it in.
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      This is a VCT solenoid. No it is not supposed to be in 2 pieces. This is a result of me not paying attention to what I was doing when reinstalling the valve cover. I put my hand on the vc to push myself up and it was resting on the solenoid and it broke off. This little boo boo doubled the cost of this project. I tried to super glue it but all that did was stick my finger to the solenoid. I really did not want to leave it out (although they are effectively inop with the lockkouts) because I did not know what the effect it throwing another code would have on drivability. So I went to Advance Auto and forked over $130 for a new one. Ouch.
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      New one. A Dorman no less.
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      Vc reinstalled. That. Was. Not. Easy.
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      All done.

      Started right up with no rattle whatsoever. Took it for a test drive and it seemed to actually be a little spunkier.

      Initially, it did not set any codes and ran normally. Later it set P0011 and P0021 which is Camshaft Bank 1 Over-advanced and Camshaft Bank 2 Over-advanced. This was expected. Once the CEL came on though, engine power was reduced and it was gutless. This was not expected. The lockout suppliers offer tunes to eliminate the CEL and maybe alter timing a bit, but I have read of many who opted out of the tune with no ill effects.

      I did some more reading, cleared the codes and went to Lowe's. Same thing. As soon as the CEL came on engine power was reduced. Later, I needed to pick up one of my kids from tennis, so I left the CEL on. Truck started up and ran great. So my thought is that with an existing code set, the ECM never activates the VCT system and the engine operates fine.

      Anyway, it runs like a top now and doesn't do anything weird. Win.
      Last edited by BBR; April 11, 2016, 09:22 AM.
      Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
      1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
      1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
      1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
      1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
      1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Runner1972 View Post
        I was just reading about this in one of the books in work, they wanted over $1,000 bucks for the kit which i believe had just DVD and the tools to do it. How does it run now?
        Runs good. Supposedly they loose a little top end power, but you could not prove it by me.
        Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
        1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
        1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
        1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
        1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
        1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail

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        • #5
          Drove it on the highway yesterday. Runs really good. I think it may actually feel better on the highway because it is not retarding the crap out of the cams at cruise. Seems to drop out of OD less on hills which is probably due to the cams remaining in the advanced position, which is better for low end torque. I don't know anything about mileage yet and honestly it is really one of my least concerns. Reliability is what I am striving for.
          Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
          1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
          1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
          1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
          1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
          1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail

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          • #6
            I read the whole thread and it didn't PHASE me a bit.

            (sorry.....)

            Dan

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            • #7
              Dan, that's perfect timing on that pun.........
              Of all the paths you take in life - make sure a few of them are dirt.

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              • #8
                i am having horrible flash backs to when i worked at the ford dealer

                main issue we had with the phasers where as soon as idle oil pressure would drop below 30psi engines would run like poo do the phasers being pushed by the springs

                this was really only an issue on fleet vehicles with high idle hours


                it was not fun trying to explain to some one that there truck needs a new engine do to it only having 29psi at idle instead of 30+
                Originally posted by Remy-Z;n1167534
                Congratulations, man. You've just inherited the "Patron Saint of Automotive Lost Causes" from me. No question.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DanStokes View Post
                  I read the whole thread and it didn't PHASE me a bit.

                  (sorry.....)

                  Dan
                  Originally posted by STINEY View Post
                  Dan, that's perfect timing on that pun.........
                  It's a good thing we don't lock out threads for bad puns.
                  Last edited by Beagle; April 13, 2016, 12:57 AM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mater View Post
                    i am having horrible flash backs to when i worked at the ford dealer

                    main issue we had with the phasers where as soon as idle oil pressure would drop below 30psi engines would run like poo do the phasers being pushed by the springs

                    this was really only an issue on fleet vehicles with high idle hours


                    it was not fun trying to explain to some one that there truck needs a new engine do to it only having 29psi at idle instead of 30+
                    If you ran the recommended 5w20 in this truck, when the oil temp got high, it would start to have an unstable idle because the phasers were flopping back and forth. As soon as you touched the throttle, it would smooth right out. I switched to 10w40 and it never had that issue again.

                    The phaser getting stuck at full retard was the final straw for me which was probably just a VCT solenoid getting stuck, but since the vc's have to come off to replace it, I wanted to just fix it once and for all.
                    Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
                    1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
                    1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
                    1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
                    1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
                    1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail

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                    • #11
                      So I am guessing that the ford dealer can not recommend the phaser lock out?

                      Is the CEL light on for good now?
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                      • #12
                        It is unless I want to buy a program from Livernois or a tuner like hp tuners that will allow me to turn them off permanently.
                        Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
                        1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
                        1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
                        1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
                        1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
                        1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail

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                        • #13
                          we would install lock outs on fleet vehicles but do to the CEL it was no recipes cash only deals

                          same with the EGR deletes on the 6.0L diesels only on fleet vehicles and only with cash payments. wrote it down as customer bought part
                          Originally posted by Remy-Z;n1167534
                          Congratulations, man. You've just inherited the "Patron Saint of Automotive Lost Causes" from me. No question.

                          75Grand AM 455:Pissed off GrandMA, 68 Volkswagen Type1 "beetle":it will run some year

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                          • #14
                            I don't envy you at all.
                            Tom
                            Overdrive is overrated


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                            • #15
                              Been there done that on the same 07 5.4.
                              Changed all parts with new up to date correct crap.. Rattled on startup for a few seconds but ran balls out after that for the rest of the day. Traded that truck 2 yrs ago,and don't miss it.
                              Bough another 07 last year with a 4.2 v6 and a 5 spd. Very trouble free ,not as much power, but it is a Winsdor type block. That will tell you what the future holds.

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