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  • #31
    Originally posted by Orange65 View Post
    Thoughts on locking the advance out and setting it at 36 degrees? I have a Mallory 385 box, so I can set up a start retard I think.
    If you are at 26 initial... lock out the mechanical and give it a shot. You are only 10 degrees from the 36 total.

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    • #32
      Mallory 685, not 385.
      Why think when you can be doing something fruitful?

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      • #33
        Wow what a difference locking out the timing made. The idle is rock steady. I was able to readjust the carb for a steady idle with less curb idle (still 3/4 turn off of ideal). It now reads 13-13.5 on AFR and has no bog. I think I am going to start driving it now and work on the part throttle as well.
        Why think when you can be doing something fruitful?

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        • #34
          Nice!
          Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by dieselgeek View Post
            AFR will read lean at idle when its tuned, not rich, because of excess oxygen passing into the exhaust.
            Why would there be "excess oxygen " at idle ?
            a fire'n cyl should burn all the fuel and use all the aval oxygen if your idle circuit is working correctly.

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            • #36
              Nope

              Glad it helped.

              A nice thread a lot of you guys should read going on, some very bright minds sort out the ones that are not

              Last edited by JeffMcKC; July 2, 2013, 12:30 PM.
              2007 SBN/A Drag Week Winner & First only SBN/A Car in the 9's Till 2012
              First to run in the .90s .80s and .70's in SBN/A
              2012 SSBN/A Drag Week Winner First in the 9.60's/ 9.67 @ 139 1.42 60'
              2013 SSBN/A Drag Week, Lets quit sand bagging, and let it rip!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by NewEnglandRaceFan View Post
                Why would there be "excess oxygen " at idle ?
                a fire'n cyl should burn all the fuel and use all the aval oxygen if your idle circuit is working correctly.



                Nothing has unburt fuel, that burns fuel.....................
                Last edited by JeffMcKC; July 2, 2013, 12:36 PM.
                2007 SBN/A Drag Week Winner & First only SBN/A Car in the 9's Till 2012
                First to run in the .90s .80s and .70's in SBN/A
                2012 SSBN/A Drag Week Winner First in the 9.60's/ 9.67 @ 139 1.42 60'
                2013 SSBN/A Drag Week, Lets quit sand bagging, and let it rip!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Orange65 View Post
                  To address the idea of an intake leak- I have gone over the intake with carb cleaner while it was running and found no leaks. Could there be one under? It is not burning any oil, so I don't think so.

                  BTW- I was pulling around 9 inches of vacuum at 1100 RPM but the cam has lots of duration (250/261 @ .050").

                  I realized that the timing I ended up with (26 degrees initial) will cause a problem with my total timing goal of 36 degrees. I have a Mallory Promaster distributor and the smallest mechanical advance I can get is 18 degrees. So I am going to have to back the initial timing down. I will do this tonight and reset the idle.

                  I understand where most thoughts are headed with the different replies. Some appear to have the same attitude most others that I talk to do- don't worry about the idle AFR so much, be concerned about what it does making power. I may end up this way, but since the carb circuits build on top of each other, if I get it right on power and then adjust the idle, the carb setting is screwed again.

                  Keep coming with the comments and thoughts- I am learning!
                  If a car wont idle, it wont run! Always Get your idle done first! (which it seems your getting close) then move on you need to circle every time you adjust. Do not get stuck on a number, do what the engine tells you to do.
                  2007 SBN/A Drag Week Winner & First only SBN/A Car in the 9's Till 2012
                  First to run in the .90s .80s and .70's in SBN/A
                  2012 SSBN/A Drag Week Winner First in the 9.60's/ 9.67 @ 139 1.42 60'
                  2013 SSBN/A Drag Week, Lets quit sand bagging, and let it rip!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Orange65 View Post
                    Wow what a difference locking out the timing made. The idle is rock steady. I was able to readjust the carb for a steady idle with less curb idle (still 3/4 turn off of ideal). It now reads 13-13.5 on AFR and has no bog. I think I am going to start driving it now and work on the part throttle as well.
                    Why do you think its 3/4 of a turn off of ideal... its just a base starting
                    point... and each engine is different... if it idles nice and doesnt load up
                    and doesnt die then it close to ideal

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                    • #40
                      I've helped a buddy of mine tune on a lot of cars. If it has a big cam and plenty of converter, there really isn't any need for timing curve - as long as your starter will crank it over. I've had mine locked out for about 15 years.

                      I also have ditched my vacuum advance. I did it for bracket racing, where ANYTHING vacuum operated can cause inconsistency. Lately I'm considering putting the vacuum advance back on, for gas mileage. It's not a race car anymore, so if it helps fuel economy, why not?

                      36* locked mechanical timing, and up to 52* with vac. advance. I've read (repeatedly) that 52* is the magic number. The challenge may be getting the advance pot tuned properly, so it doesn't detonate when I roll onto the gas.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by MR P-BODY View Post
                        Why do you think its 3/4 of a turn off of ideal... its just a base starting
                        point... and each engine is different... if it idles nice and doesnt load up
                        and doesnt die then it close to ideal
                        I called it ideal because from my understanding, it is the point that the transition circuit is just starting to be used. Ideally, the transition circuit would not be in use at idle (or at least that is my take on it.) I very much agree on the idea that each engine is different and you have to give it what it wants.

                        Jeff- good thread on the Bullet- is Yeti a carb builder by chance?
                        Why think when you can be doing something fruitful?

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                        • #42
                          Yes, he can get testy at times lol like all of us over there but he and Mark are very good at helping guys get them right. Lobes is another very smart guy he always has a different angle but just as on point gives you best of both worlds to pick from. If you know the players its a better site than most think just stay out of the trashed section and don't listen to the "sellers"
                          2007 SBN/A Drag Week Winner & First only SBN/A Car in the 9's Till 2012
                          First to run in the .90s .80s and .70's in SBN/A
                          2012 SSBN/A Drag Week Winner First in the 9.60's/ 9.67 @ 139 1.42 60'
                          2013 SSBN/A Drag Week, Lets quit sand bagging, and let it rip!

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