Yeah, I don't want anything 'set' just yet. I *think* I read to set the sensor 5 teeth from the gap. I'll mock it up before anything gets permanently mounted.
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Planning on using the old MS1 (2.2 board Extra loaded) to control ignition.
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1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail
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I had a little free time so I worked a little on the 36-1 wheel stuff this weekend. The hole in the wheel is 1.25" and the step on the balancer measured out to 1.908".
I needed a pilot so I took a 1.25" washer, drilled a hole in it and screwed it to a piece of wood. Then I clamped the wheel to the wood.
I thought a circle cutter would be the way to go. It said you could cut metal with it...... not so much. It scribed a nice groove then snapped the tip off.
Plan B was to go get a 1-7/8" hole saw at Lowes which worked great. I figured I would need to use the Dremel to open it up a little, but once I knocked the edge off the hole with a file, it fit the balancer perfectly.
Air gap. Hopefully that will be enough gap so that the pickup is not affected by the hatchet.
It really turned out better that I imagined. I really kind of expected to hork up at least one 36-1 wheel in this whole process. hahaLife is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail
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Some more pieces of this science project showed up this evening! Coils, coil igniters and wiring!Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail
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Whoo Hoo!
Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail
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make absolutely sure that before you hook those coils up... that you have the Spark Output Hi/Low set properly and TEST IT before attaching them. Why? because you will melt everything in that picture if you make a mistake, and you get only one chance.www.realtuners.com - catch the RealTuners Radio Podcast on Youtube, Facebook, iTunes, and anywhere else podcasts are distributed!
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Originally posted by dieselgeek View Postmake absolutely sure that before you hook those coils up... that you have the Spark Output Hi/Low set properly and TEST IT before attaching them. Why? because you will melt everything in that picture if you make a mistake, and you get only one chance.
So..... What is the proper setting and how does one test it?
Bill did an excellent job of marking everything so this end of the ignition will be wired just like it was in his car.Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail
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I think the problem is the MS guys changed the nomenclature on the high/low outputs at some point, but that MS1 firmware is going to be old so hence the reason for needing to test it versus something you simply read about the setting online.
Find out what the coils/driver box wants, high or low. Does it trigger when ground is given (going high) or removed (going low)? How to specifically test though, hmm. That I am not sure in the old firmware.
An example is using the MSD 6A boxes, they fire spark when the ground is removed (going low), like point contacts opening. The question but some ignition fire when the ground signal is given, which that setup may or may not be.Escaped on a technicality.
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Originally posted by TheSilverBuick View PostI think the problem is the MS guys changed the nomenclature on the high/low outputs at some point, but that MS1 firmware is going to be old so hence the reason for needing to test it versus something you simply read about the setting online.
Find out what the coils/driver box wants, high or low. Does it trigger when ground is given (going high) or removed (going low)? How to specifically test though, hmm. That I am not sure in the old firmware.
An example is using the MSD 6A boxes, they fire spark when the ground is removed (going low), like point contacts opening. The question but some ignition fire when the ground signal is given, which that setup may or may not be.
So.... what you do is, before connecting the MS to the Coil Driver module, check the spark outputs of the MS with the key on, engine not running. They should be at 0v. If they're at 5v, the spark output setting needs changed. You're running MS1 Extra, yes? (make sure you load the latest Extra firmware for whatever version this is). I believe you want spark output "going high" but do not quote me on it, test it lol.www.realtuners.com - catch the RealTuners Radio Podcast on Youtube, Facebook, iTunes, and anywhere else podcasts are distributed!
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Ok back on this project.
Since this is an ignition only project, what inputs does the ECM absolutely have to have?Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail
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If you are controlling just spark, does the 2.2 board have a VR circuit conditioner (2 adjustable pots on the tach in circuit)? If so, BARE minimum is connect one side of the HEI's (or duraspark's) pickup coil to the Tach In wire and ground the other side to the MS ground. That will give RPM to the MS and you can then control spark output. Alternatively, if it doesn't have a VR conditioner circuit, you can put a points distributor in and with a pull-up circuit accomplish the same thing.Escaped on a technicality.
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No distributor. Wasted spark, crank trigger, 36-1, EFI Source Igniter, etc.Life is short. Be a do'er and not a shoulda done'er.
1969 Galaxie 500 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...ild-it-s-alive
1998 Mustang GT https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...60-and-a-turbo
1983 Mustang GT 545/552/302/Turbo302/552 http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...485-bbr-s-83gt
1973 F-250 BBF Turbo Truck http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum...uck-conversion
1986 Ford Ranger EFI 545/C6 https://bangshift.com/forum/forum/ba...tooth-and-nail
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With a trigger wheel, just need a sensor to pick up the teeth, and I forgot it requires a vacuum line for a MAP reading to make a table, but you could just have it based on RPM like a pure mechanical advance. Just populate the top few lines of the ignition table with the curve you want.
Coolant temp, air intake temp, throttle position, etc are not needed. I use the coolant temp to add timing when cold and the intake air temp to pull timing when it's very hot out, but I'm not sure if MS1/extra even has those features.Escaped on a technicality.
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