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    question as most laptops today don't have a serial port anymore and there seems to be some issues with the serial port to ubs adapters..

    has anyone tried to install one of these into the msII case

    it a desktop ubs buss card.. I''d think if you could find the pin out for the socket you could install on of these and do away with the serial port adapter.. and these buss cards are cheap..
    anyone see roadblocks in this ? and is there enough room to install it in the case..

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    Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

    Use the MS iii ? Built in USB.

    http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms3/serial_setup.html

    symtech labs has an adapter

    http://www.symtechlabs.com/support/k...r_connectivity

    I think the trick there is getting the baud rate / parity stuff set up correctly. There's nothing specifically magic about USB except you probably need to slow it down. Serial I/O is not all that difficult, if it horks, slow it down.

    If you are gonna go to a lot of extra trouble installing junk, go for BlueTooth!
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    • #3

      Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

      msIII is 550.00

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        Been done, $31 right from DIYautotune.com http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/d...ter-p-141.html



        Escaped on a technicality.

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          Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

          thanks, I must of misted that

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            Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

            20.00 cable should get you there if you have your settings right... just sayin. They list it on the same page above.

            Unless you want firewire (picture at top is firewire).
            Last edited by Beagle; November 7th, 2011, 11:10 AM.
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              USB-Serial cables work fine if you minimize or eliminate the buffers in the driver. I never had one that misbehaved, that wasn't fixed after I changed that setting.
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                Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

                USB-Serial cables work fine if you minimize or eliminate the buffers in the driver. I never had one that misbehaved, that wasn't fixed after I changed that setting.
                ok and how do you rework the buffers

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                  Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

                  Make settings changes per the first link on the replies... or for MSii,

                  http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms2extra/serial_setup.html

                  or search the docs for USB...

                  http://www.msextra.com

                  I wasn't really teasing though - has anybody done a bluetooth connection for these?

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                  Hardwired seems so... secure. Why not put it out there where somebody in the pits can royally jack your tune ? That would be funny as hell, half track, and some 12 year old rev limits you to 2800 rpm. HHAHHAHAHA... omg. Do it. I dare ya. I double dog dare ya!



                  /edit - spoonful.

                  Mark, please open any of the links and read through them. There is detail on your questions in both the MSEXTRA doc pages and on the adapter link in my first reply.

                  The settings that 'Geek mentions won't show up as options if the drivers aren't installed. The drivers are available on the symtechlabs converter page I sent - you can install them without the hardware and take a look at the settings. The documentation shows you the screenprints for buffer settings.

                  To my way of thinking, you are using flow control as another way to "slow it down" - let's not overwhelm the little computer with giant horking mounds of 1's and 0's from the big computer when it's still chewing on the last spoonful and not ready to eat another yet. That's probably not entirely accurate, but that is the way I conceptualize it. Particular the part right after your i/o goes wrong and something pukes.

                  It don't cost nuthin, and you can remove the drivers easily. They should not cause any problems being there unused, however.
                  Last edited by Beagle; November 8th, 2011, 03:16 AM.
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                    Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

                    Make settings changes per the first link on the replies... or for MSii,

                    http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms2extra/serial_setup.html

                    or search the docs for USB...

                    http://www.msextra.com

                    I wasn't really teasing though - has anybody done a bluetooth connection for these?

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                    Hardwired seems so... secure. Why not put it out there where somebody in the pits can royally jack your tune ? That would be funny as hell, half track, and some 12 year old rev limits you to 2800 rpm. HHAHHAHAHA... omg. Do it. I dare ya. I double dog dare ya!



                    /edit - spoonful.

                    Mark, please open any of the links and read through them. There is detail on your questions in both the MSEXTRA doc pages and on the adapter link in my first reply.

                    The settings that 'Geek mentions won't show up as options if the drivers aren't installed. The drivers are available on the symtechlabs converter page I sent - you can install them without the hardware and take a look at the settings. The documentation shows you the screenprints for buffer settings.

                    To my way of thinking, you are using flow control as another way to "slow it down" - let's not overwhelm the little computer with giant horking mounds of 1's and 0's from the big computer when it's still chewing on the last spoonful and not ready to eat another yet. That's probably not entirely accurate, but that is the way I conceptualize it. Particular the part right after your i/o goes wrong and something pukes.

                    It don't cost nuthin, and you can remove the drivers easily. They should not cause any problems being there unused, however.

                    Beagle is all over it. We HAVE tuned wirelessly. Andy Whittle, (forum user "whittlebeast) once set me up with a long range wireless serial setup with a small antenna in the car and a large semi-directional antenna on a camera tripod in the pits. At Gateway (St. Louis drag strip) I was able to datalog and tune huber from across the entire facility. I didn't dare screw around with the tune during his pass but I ran the logging and it worked perfectly. I haven't played with the shorter range Bluetooth adapters but it should work just fine.

                    Stich - when you purchase the USB adapter, install it's drivers. Recommended to go to the mfgr website and install the most current drivers versus what's on the CD in the box. Once they're installed per the instructions, you can go into Device Manager (either through Control Panel or Right Clicking on My Computer icon). Once inside Device Manager select "Ports: Com and LPT" and you will see an entry for your USB serial port #. Double clicking on that opens up the Properties dialog, from there go to "Advanced" options and you will see the adjustments for the buffer size (some let you disable buffering altogether). Make the change to small or zero buffering, then save it. That will solve the majority of your USB-serial adapter problems.
                    Last edited by dieselgeek; November 8th, 2011, 07:18 AM.
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                      Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

                      I like the idea of wireless/bluetooth, if for nothing else, it'd make people go WTH!?!?
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                      • #12

                        Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

                        I like the idea of wireless/bluetooth, if for nothing else, it'd make people go WTH!?!? you got an app for that
                        fixed it for ya

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                        • #13

                          Re: msII cable(tuning and newer laptops

                          Beagle is all over it. We HAVE tuned wirelessly. Andy Whittle, (forum user "whittlebeast) once set me up with a long range wireless serial setup with a small antenna in the car and a large semi-directional antenna on a camera tripod in the pits. At Gateway (St. Louis drag strip) I was able to datalog and tune huber from across the entire facility. I didn't dare screw around with the tune during his pass but I ran the logging and it worked perfectly. I haven't played with the shorter range Bluetooth adapters but it should work just fine.

                          Stich - when you purchase the USB adapter, install it's drivers. Recommended to go to the mfgr website and install the most current drivers versus what's on the CD in the box. Once they're installed per the instructions, you can go into Device Manager (either through Control Panel or Right Clicking on My Computer icon). Once inside Device Manager select "Ports: Com and LPT" and you will see an entry for your USB serial port #. Double clicking on that opens up the Properties dialog, from there go to "Advanced" options and you will see the adjustments for the buffer size (some let you disable buffering altogether). Make the change to small or zero buffering, then save it. That will solve the majority of your USB-serial adapter problems.
                          thanks

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