Dan Warner: Production Class question

[Freiburger]

I don't see anywhere in the rulebook where it states that a Production car needs to have any portion of the stock frame or floorpans in place. However, several old-timers have told me that a stock frame and floors are part of the "unwritten" rules. True or false?

Next question: can an International Scout Terra compete in the fullsize pickup class?

[dwarner230]

Re: Dan Warner: Production Class question

DF,

2008 rulebook, page 72, 3rd paragraph;

"The following items shall be retained in the stock location and of the same year and manufacturer as the body: frame, fenders ..."

It has always been understood that the floor pan is stock. You have to reatin the stock gas tank, inner fender panels, etc. You are not allowed either a belly pan or step pan. The idea is to keep the bottom of the car as dirty as OEM. Now you will list several examples of cars which set records with a step pan or at the least a modified floor pan.

Is there something about the Scout that makes you think its use would be questionable for the class?

DW

[KeithTurk]

Re: Dan Warner: Production Class question

Dan I think it's smaller then the average full size pick up...

What's the minimum Width of a Full size truck?

This is a question we're going to eventually have to answer...

Currently the ECTA looks at a truck and asks if it has an advantage in Full size and if it does we automatically make it run as a mini truck... The Colorado is a good example... it's just to Small to be a Full size ... so even if it's to big to run competitively as a Mini that's the class we stick it in.

Keith

[DanStokes]

Re: Dan Warner: Production Class question

So is my '98 Dakota a mini? I've toyed with the idea of running it down the track because I think it will be faster than the race Camaro. Do I run the Dak with or without trailer?

Dan

[dwarner230]

Re: Dan Warner: Production Class question

Keith,

That is the normal criteria for deciding which class a truck would fall into. If the Scout is the same size as my Colorado then it would be classed as a mini. On the big size for a mini but, a mini non-the-less.

Dan,

Your Dakota is a mini, records already set with that body style. Tom Sauter, class C 201MPH.

DW

[dwarner230]

Re: Dan Warner: Production Class question

Just as I posted the above it struck me that I should have added that the trucks are broken into two body classes for LSR.

Full size trucks like a C1500, F150, Dodge Ram, etc. and Mid/Mini such as Ranger, S10, Colorado, Dakota, etc. Racing a Dakota against an S10 in the same class seems a little lopsided but, it is what it is.

DW

[Freiburger]

Re: Dan Warner: Production Class question

Thanks for the frame/floors clarification.

The Scout Terra does offer an advantage or I wouldn't be curious about it. It's narrower than a Chevy/Ford/Dodge, so I suppose that means it's a Midsize, making it non-competitive. It has a 118-inch wheelbase, which is longer than a shortbed Chevy but shorter than a longbed Chevy.

The Scout Terra also calls into question what the definition of a pickup is since the cab and bed are one piece. It's like a Ford unibody, except that the top is removable fiberglass. It's a Scout II with a half-cab and a divider wall to make a bed, just like a Jeep Scrambler or '66-'77 Bronco. All three of those were marketed as pickups. Does that make them pickups?

[dwarner230]

Re: Dan Warner: Production Class question

The last question I would answer yes. We have VW pickups run in the pu classes which are basically the same body/frame relationship.

The final answer will come from:

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This is a new email address set up this year in order to service the numerous questions recieved each year. We think a central point for questions will speed the process to the benefit of the racers.

DW