Skid Mark - how fast for 5k?

[Beagle]

red x?

hmm...




hmmmmm.

[milner351]

Epic weight removal continues - sometimes - you've got to show a car who's boss, especially after it bites you. Hope those sheetmetal cuts heal quick.

[Beagle]

Question - maybe for myself... Cylinder heads and camshafts and bears. Oh my.

D3ve, 8.8:1 , mildish port job. Bowl blended, mostly exhaust short turn work (where they respond according to "them") and flat tappet hydraulic 214*/224* cam (20.00, new) , this is the dirt bag approach, cheap and paid for.

D0ve, 10.4:1 , needs porting, roller solid 236/242* cam (1000.00 new but that is springs, retainers, timing chain, lifters, cam) ... probably worth another 75 or more HP.

I'm having a tough time with the justification but I don't think it will hit my target with the D3ve's. The D0ve's at over 10:1 with a mildish cam would want E85 probably. What to do ... what to do. Pay the electric, buy the missus a lovely present for her special birthday, give her a roller cam? Maybe she won't hit me with it.

I've got a conversation going with a guy on 460ford.com for a Torker II. It's the lowest intake I can think of and the guys there seem to like it. I had bought a Torker which is deemed poop by the same guys, did that before I had a clear plan. I'm thinking I want to move the torque curve up a few hundred to a thousand RPM. I've been running it through a simulator and wallace racing ET predict-o-rator and I can't see it getting where I want it with the small cam / low compression setup. It's making me insane. I spent a lot of time on the stocker heads, I'm actually very curious to see how well they do (or not.)

The D0ve's are better exhaust, smaller chamber, 300+ cfm as cast intake but the compression is pushing it. If I have to go with E85 it's gonna make fueling a real PITA depending on what Freiburger comes up with for a route. Also, if I go with e85, the compression is actually kinda low in my mind. The sim software says about 200 cranking psi, really hairy edge for pump gas and a 30 year old combustion chamber design. It will have about .040 - .045 quench (zero deck, .041 gasket) and I'm tempted to go this way with 93 octane and see how much timing I have to pull. I have a lot of hours in the D3ve's though. Dangit!

Open to suggestions...

/more edit - according to the numbers, this cat-ass-trophy is going to be a little buzzy on the road... like 2800 at 70 buzzy so I'm not all that worried about it pinging on the highway. Octane booster and go? The other thing about the D0ve's is they are easy to convert to stud mount rockers and I have some comp roller tip rockers if I go that way. The D3ve / cam combo probably doesn't need to be converted.

/even more edit - there's an HX55 clone on the shelf here. Largish sized turbocharger. The 8.8:1 D3ve's would be easy to get a few more cc's out of the chamber and get it down closer to 8:1 , intercool the turbo, EFI... this is why my sh*t never gets finished. I'm having wicked deja vu right now, I'm pretty sure I've posted this before. Losing it.

[milner351]

Remember - you can make changes later, and unexpected expenses will come up, there's still a lot of building to do, and the clock is ticking.

KISS.

Mill the D3 a little to get some more compression? If you really hate the cam after the car is running and driving, you can change it.

For that matter - if you score a great deal on a set of DOVE or aluminum heads at some point in the future - you can swap them on then... AFTER the car is running, driving, and baselined.

[racingsnake440]

D3VEs and the turbo if you get time, N20 if you don't!

[Beagle]

Remember - you can make changes later, and unexpected expenses will come up, there's still a lot of building to do, and the clock is ticking.

KISS.

Mill the D3 a little to get some more compression? If you really hate the cam after the car is running and driving, you can change it.

For that matter - if you score a great deal on a set of DOVE or aluminum heads at some point in the future - you can swap them on then... AFTER the car is running, driving, and baselined.

I have a set of D0ve's (125.00 CL deal) sitting on the shelf. The D3ve's have enough work in them to be better than the D0ve's are right now. I am not all that fond of grinding iron, and they would need some work. Whine=off, you're right. I'll put it together with the pump gas setup.

The NAWSSSS idea has crossed my mind. It has forged pistons and h-beams.

I have a feeler out on a set of Hooker headers (300.00) that may or may not be sold already. Milner, you're on the money about time.

[BBR]

Why not D0VE's with a nice hyd ft cam like:

Lunati 31605
110lsa 295/305 0.615/0.622 245/255 @50

or

FRPP M-6250-C460
112lsa (?) 310/320 0.588/0.614 244/254 @50

If I didn't already have a solid roller in mine, I would use something else. The roller lifters are my only worry.

10:1 is too low for E85 IMO

[Bob Holmes]

Stay on task, padawan.

Get it in the car and running. You're going to find all kinds of things that you want to upgrade as time goes on. First step, get it in the car and running.

[BBR]

red x?

hmm...



hmmmmm.

This looks like somebody dismembered Robby the Robot

[Beagle]

Have a nibble on the 135.00 Torker ii (fits under hood) and just finished a 300.00 Hooker deal (headers, ya filthy buggers) from San Antonio. Unlike the Secret Service, I won't bitch about the 47.00 shipping.

For those of you familiar with "Major League" ... It's starting to come together!

I will go with the D3's and get it to run. Thanks guys!

[Beagle]

I get amused, maybe more like enthused... Enthusiasts. I had a very nice phone conversation with a gentleman from 460ford.com on an item I think fits the D3ve / 8.8:1 / 214* cam deal. Edelbrok Torker ii, 135.00... one thing we all seem to have in common? What are you building!? I announced this thing as a truck motor (it is) and seller agreed it would be a good truck motor. Big f* grin. I love truck motors. I told him what / why I was on his phone (DW / low buck challenged). I didn't ask about his cam, but:

He's going Mafia intake, 521", TFS heads. << envious. 550-600 is and probably then some.

Back at the ranch, I'm thinking ..the Torker might fit under the hood. I'm kinda excited about that. He had a Comp 305 cam for sale as well, but I didn't ask. It might have worked for the D0ve's, but I'm guessing I'll be better off with the 195 ish projected cranking psi for the truck mill , 3.27's and a very flexible tire size (huge wheel wells). I think 30's will fit in the well, nice OD tire size between tracks. Verification to happen on that, soon.

I spent a little money this week. 300 hooker headers, 135 manifold. I wanted to build the headers, but this time, a 2" header is better than manifolds, even if it is too big.

I tried something stealthy tonight. Polished the crap out of one head light, and it made a pretty noticeable difference. It's a feeble attempt to interest Monica. We'll see if it works. Polishing a turd? If I can find cambot, I'll get a pic.

James - why would you sweat mechanical rollers?

[Beagle]

Running math, always changes.

400 car
400 460 /c6
270 (267, and shipping, do we count shipping?) Springs to replace air bags
160 oil pan / pickup
20 cam
35 lifters
300 headers
110 3310 Vacuum 750 refuge (looks new)
60 gaskets , top end ... so far
135 intake
200 ross pistons
440 h-beams <-that is kinda jacked, more than the engine!
brakes, steering... another 200.00 or so. The fat kitty killer is within budget. I can sell the aod/5.0 for what I paid for the car, and wondering about that disc rear vs. a Musang 8.8 in trade plus a couple hundred. I guess I could say I sold the engine/trans but I'm using it for something else, so no change on the budget.
125 roller tip rockers and need to be tested springs 987 comp I'm told (110/300 ish closed and open)

the springs will be interesting. I really need to start setting up the valve job / heads. Do you guys have a source for truck duty valves?

[BBR]

http://sivalves.com/

Because solid roller lifters have a habit of coming apart at inopportune times, (like there ever is an opportune time for a lifter failure), are expensive, noisy and probably don't offer any real performance advantage for 90% of the driving most people do. If I ever lose a lifter, I'm sticking a hyd FT back in it like the Lunati 31605 or the FRPP C460 (if I can find one). Just one thing less to worry about.

[Bob Holmes]

The compression on that motor just sucks, either turbo it, or shave the heads.

I know, I said just get it done. Must be the meds talking.

[BBR]

That's why I said the D0VE's. That and they are dang near already set up for stud rockers.

I wouldn't assume it will be anywhere near zero deck either unless you measure everything and have the block decked. I'd run a fat HG and let it eat with a bigger flat tappet hyd cam and premium gas. Maybe monkey with cam timing to get the cranking pressure where you want it.