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  • Beagle
    "Flounder"
    • Apr 2011
    • 13804

    #16
    a .82 wouldn't be the best bet for a BBB methinks... it's not like it's some mamby pamby SBC. HAHAHAHA. j/k. Probably more like a 1.30 ish... here's a lovely 1.25 starting point:


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    • TC
      Banned
      • Nov 2007
      • 11805

      #17
      Originally posted by Beagle View Post
      a .82 wouldn't be the best bet for a BBB methinks... it's not like it's some mamby pamby SBC. HAHAHAHA. j/k. Probably more like a 1.30 ish... here's a lovely 1.25 starting point:


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      I wasn't saying a .82 would be good in his application, just saying that that is what works good for me........Cubic inches definitely play into this, along with if your running a single or twin setup....... Though with him only wanting to spin the motor 5000rpm, a 1.25 A/R would probably be to big........ and he'll end up with a lot of lag down low...........

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      • Beagle
        "Flounder"
        • Apr 2011
        • 13804

        #18
        nah, it'd be fine. I'll let you know if I ever finish moving my crap and put the big single in the box on the 466. I believe it's 1.30 ish, 99lbs/min. Not quite as big as the one I put up there ^^


        I'd think like an S480 or HX60 or something off a 14 liter diesel would make enough steam to create block issues.
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        • dieselgeek
          Legendary BangShifter
          • Oct 2007
          • 9809

          #19
          TC, I can comfortably say that your turbo choices are but random guesses. Since we're not ever likely to see a running engine, I guess you'll never need to worry about that.

          Meanwhile, that was an interesting way to BS around your own BS.

          So, cam choice depends on application now, but what about gapless rings? still always the best in ANY engine no matter what the application? that's what you said, after all...
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          • TC
            Banned
            • Nov 2007
            • 11805

            #20
            Originally posted by dieselgeek View Post
            TC, I can comfortably say that your turbo choices are but random guesses. Since we're not ever likely to see a running engine, I guess you'll never need to worry about that.

            Meanwhile, that was an interesting way to BS around your own BS.

            So, cam choice depends on application now, but what about gapless rings? still always the best in ANY engine no matter what the application? that's what you said, after all...
            In my experiences with Total Seal Gapless rings, I have had nothing but good results, that is all I can say. If others haven't, then they must not be doing something right........And I don't care if they are the god king ring guru of the world, they did something to not make them work......And at that what ring didn't work?? the top ring, second ring, oil ring?? Or are we talking about quality now?? and not really if they seal or not?? Thing is two of the sets of rings are going to be just like any other performance ring set that you would run, and the gapless ring is the same ring as the rest, but it has been machined down to accept a second ring, so your idea that the rings aren't as good as none gapless rings is total BS, because they are using the same rings in both applications..........

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            • dieselgeek
              Legendary BangShifter
              • Oct 2007
              • 9809

              #21
              relax sunshine, I don't have the real answer. Read what I just said twice - see how easy it is? If you don't know, then why the concern to have people think you do? My answer on gapless rings: I have no idea. I don't pretend to.
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              • JeffMcKC
                Legendary BangShifter
                • Oct 2007
                • 7024

                #22
                If the right ring and cylinder wall finish is used, there will be very little difference in cylinder seal between the two I use a total seal second ring. Ring pack and drag all factor in when you get down in ring width its a tricky time just setting the end gap, end gaps are critical.

                Turbo Camshafts,,, I would call Mike Jones and see what he says he has had a lot of turbo applictions in cluding Indy Car stuff he may shed some light for you.
                2007 SBN/A Drag Week Winner & First only SBN/A Car in the 9's Till 2012
                First to run in the .90s .80s and .70's in SBN/A
                2012 SSBN/A Drag Week Winner First in the 9.60's/ 9.67 @ 139 1.42 60'
                2013 SSBN/A Drag Week, Lets quit sand bagging, and let it rip!

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                • TC
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 11805

                  #23
                  Originally posted by dieselgeek View Post
                  relax sunshine, I don't have the real answer. Read what I just said twice - see how easy it is? If you don't know, then why the concern to have people think you do? My answer on gapless rings: I have no idea. I don't pretend to.
                  As much as you'd love me not to, I actually have experience with these rings, like I said I got my first two sets for FREE.....I've done the tests, because I, like you, are a skeptic and what they claimed is what I saw........Trust me you know how I am about crap parts companies(Edelbrock) so why would I be any different about them if their rings sucked..... I would be the first to stand up and say it...........So to their claims of higher vacuum and 2% or less leakage, I can say I've personally seen those results and have to concur with their findings..........As for the gains in cranking compression and HP in the Engine Masters article I can only take their word on their findings........

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                  • TC
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 11805

                    #24
                    Originally posted by JeffMcKC View Post
                    If the right ring and cylinder wall finish is used, there will be very little difference in cylinder seal between the two I use a total seal second ring. Ring pack and drag all factor in when you get down in ring width its a tricky time just setting the end gap, end gaps are critical.

                    Turbo Camshafts,,, I would call Mike Jones and see what he says he has had a lot of turbo applictions in cluding Indy Car stuff he may shed some light for you.
                    Jeff building motors is like assholes and opinions, everyone's got one and everyone thinks their way is right.......Hell they can't even build two identical motors and get them to make the exact same HP........I'm sure your guy has his opinions, just like Duttweiler and Urban have theirs, but comparing an indy car motor to a BBB or SBC is really comparing apples to oranges......Every setup is different, so every setup requires different specs.......If that wasn't the case, then there would only be one motor, one camshaft, one set of heads, one intake, etc.............So what works for you might not work for the next guy..............
                    Last edited by TC; October 27, 2011, 11:51 AM.

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                    • SuperBuickGuy
                      No Life Outside BangShift.com
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 32252

                      #25
                      interesting.... how about these specs?

                      Advertised Duration (Int/Exh) : 260/270
                      Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 220/230
                      Valve Lift 1.6 Ratio .500/.500
                      LSA 116

                      with hydraulic roller lifters I wonder if that's not a little mild (why not hold them open longer for better fill?
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                      • JeffMcKC
                        Legendary BangShifter
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 7024

                        #26
                        Originally posted by TC View Post
                        Jeff building motors is like assholes and opinions, everyone's got one and everyone thinks their way is right.......Hell they can't even build two identical motors and get them to make the exact same HP........I'm sure your guy has his opinions, just like Duttweiler and Urban have theirs, but comparing an indy car motor to a BBB or SBC is really comparing apples to oranges......Every setup is different, so every setup requires different specs.......If that wasn't the case, then there would only be one motor, one camshaft, one set of heads, one intake, etc.............So what works for you might not work for the next guy..............
                        Huh ig geuss that means something I just dont know what.
                        2007 SBN/A Drag Week Winner & First only SBN/A Car in the 9's Till 2012
                        First to run in the .90s .80s and .70's in SBN/A
                        2012 SSBN/A Drag Week Winner First in the 9.60's/ 9.67 @ 139 1.42 60'
                        2013 SSBN/A Drag Week, Lets quit sand bagging, and let it rip!

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                        • Beagle
                          "Flounder"
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 13804

                          #27
                          I kinda like that one. It should get along pretty good with EFI if you go that way.

                          Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
                          interesting.... how about these specs?

                          Advertised Duration (Int/Exh) : 260/270
                          Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 220/230
                          Valve Lift 1.6 Ratio .500/.500
                          LSA 116

                          with hydraulic roller lifters I wonder if that's not a little mild (why not hold them open longer for better fill?
                          Last edited by Beagle; October 27, 2011, 11:58 AM.
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                          • TC
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 11805

                            #28
                            Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
                            interesting.... how about these specs?

                            Advertised Duration (Int/Exh) : 260/270
                            Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 220/230
                            Valve Lift 1.6 Ratio .500/.500
                            LSA 116

                            with hydraulic roller lifters I wonder if that's not a little mild (why not hold them open longer for better fill?
                            You know how they list an "operating(rpm) range" for the cam, just find a cam that meets your max RPM you want to spin the motor, also boost will make the cam act smaller, so if you want a max rpm of 5000rpm, you could get away with a cam that has a max rpm is 5500........ I guess if that makes any sense........

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                            • JeffMcKC
                              Legendary BangShifter
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 7024

                              #29
                              Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
                              interesting.... how about these specs?

                              Advertised Duration (Int/Exh) : 260/270
                              Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 220/230
                              Valve Lift 1.6 Ratio .500/.500
                              LSA 116

                              with hydraulic roller lifters I wonder if that's not a little mild (why not hold them open longer for better fill?
                              Boost will fill, buick valve angles dont need tons of duration, but Lift is what I would look for.
                              2007 SBN/A Drag Week Winner & First only SBN/A Car in the 9's Till 2012
                              First to run in the .90s .80s and .70's in SBN/A
                              2012 SSBN/A Drag Week Winner First in the 9.60's/ 9.67 @ 139 1.42 60'
                              2013 SSBN/A Drag Week, Lets quit sand bagging, and let it rip!

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                              • TC
                                Banned
                                • Nov 2007
                                • 11805

                                #30
                                Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
                                interesting.... how about these specs?

                                Advertised Duration (Int/Exh) : 260/270
                                Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 220/230
                                Valve Lift 1.6 Ratio .500/.500
                                LSA 116

                                with hydraulic roller lifters I wonder if that's not a little mild (why not hold them open longer for better fill?
                                Your going to loose a lot of cranking compression with that LSA.........I would run at least 9:1 compression,

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