Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

[yellomalibu]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

I agree with pretty much everyone; the Super classes are boring to watch. Lots of sports are boring to watch, but they are still challenging and enjoyable to participate in.
Some year, I would love to run my car down a LSR track. Whatever the top speed of my car is at that point would be a rush to feel, no doubt... but I don't think that it's something that most people would care to watch on tv (or it would be a popular show... the only time I've seen LSR on tv is when Breedlove or one of those guys are going for the record). Now don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down your sport. Just saying that if the makers of television thought they would have an audience, we'd have LSR tv. Translation: it's boring to watch.

Subject change

Sportsman ET bracket racing is, as we all know, the entry level form. You can race your pick-up truck if you want to. You don't need to lay out a bunch of cash building a race car. You don't need to know how to build or tune motors or suspension... just try to cut a good light and hope your car runs what you predicted. It's dirt cheap to do and it garners interest in the sport. The learning of and desire to build a more consistent car or a faster car usually follows...

What is the entry level of LSR racing? If I want to run my Chevelle at a LSR event just to see how fast it would go, what class would I be in? It's stock bodied, except for the hood. Non stock N/A small block motor. Stock type suspension. Has a roll bar, five point harness, SFI approved tranny shield, flywheel, and balancer.

[A/Fuel]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

i think bracket racing is a good gate-way drug. i found myself getting more and more serrious about it. to the point where i bought a pick-up and trailer. the lure of hanging out at the track started to out weigh the need to be on the street. so, in that since, it was good for me. the thing is though, nothing beats a heads up race. while not cheap by any means, if you get your priortys straight, the avarage guy(s) can pull it off. i can't count the times i've been at the track late at night working on my car, when some guy steps out of his $300,000 toter home with a Corona in his hand and comes over to talk. he's usually fresh out of the shower, and his first words are, "you must be rich to have one of these."

[KeithTurk]

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LSR is BORING as hell to watch... unless the "really" fast guys are running.... I dig the sound of a little motor straining it's guts out for miles on end... and all of you would shit if you could hear Twin Hemi's at Full song... trust me it will stand your hair on end... it will truly rock your bones.... same basic feeling as a couple of top fuelers... just imagine your at the end when they start... and they don't stop... and they don't stop...

It really is boring as watching the grass grow to the average man...

Keith... ( Curling is exciting to folks who are ignorant to the uses of SAMSONITE )

[BOWTIE6872]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

racing , from a grandstand, is boaring. if. you have no input on a car in the field..
and desgeeks idea of crybabies is way off..
the little guy. with no funds can win heads up.. but when the field is full of pro built cars.. with a 30g's engine package..
not likely..
the electronics , leveled the playing field..
rather not have them..
but unless you put a dollar amount claimer rule in place..
the guys with the most money wins..
as they can get the people to help their program..
where the normal guy,. hopes his friend can help ..for the cost of beer..
look at drag week// or fastest car racing..
what it started as.. and what it is now..$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
in drag racing.. anyone that goes to a track and bitches they are board..has nothing to say..
as it's they're own fault..
cause you can.. pay a few bucks and enter the pos you drove there...
and be a part of it..
on anyweek end other than.. the pro w-ends.

[A/Fuel]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

the guys with the most money wins..

i'll argue that one. ;D
it's what you spend it on, and the expirence to know the difference.

[BOWTIE6872]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

the guys with the most money wins..

i'll argue that one. ;D
it's what you spend it on, and the expirence to know the difference.

take your class(if thats your car or team in your avatar..
and drop a team from john forces camp in the field..
is the chance of winning the same, for all the cars,,
I'll say no..
look at busch races(whatever it's called now)
the cup guys rule most of them..
why.. more money..
better equipment =$$$$$$$
better people =$$$$$$$$
the best minds =$$$$$$$$
the little guy..(or in this case little{r) guy)
doesn't come out on top offen..
same in dragracing..
and is why.. we have vracket racing/indexs/etc
racers (alot of them)will not show up. if they know they have no chance..
non heads up racing. allows ..anyone. even a guy/gal in moms minivan
to win..

[A/Fuel]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

ha, funny you should say that, cause it's happened already.
i've raced against Ashley, Courtney, and Brittany...
and i still stand by my arguement.

[Brian Lohnes]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

All bets are off when you are running a car with nitro in it.

Mental...Scott could have you sitting in an A/Fueler for less money than you can by a ZR1 Vette.

Brian

[BangShiftChad]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

it can't all be heads up

Throttle Stops: making winners out of slow crybabies since 19xx

(too lazy to see how long these gay devices have existed)

I've raced super categories and don't enjoy them nearly as much as other classes I've raced, but I do disagree with Scott's statement above.

They don't make winners out of slow crybabies, they make slow winners out of fast crybabies. ;)

The norm is all the super classes is 540" or larger. Super Gas cars are making 850+hp. For a 2300 lb car. Stupid.

[TC]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

All bets are off when you are running a car with nitro in it.

Mental...Scott could have you sitting in an A/Fueler for less money than you can by a ZR1 Vette.

Brian

Hell I've seen some dragsters for sale that would cost less than a new Camaro.

[dieselgeek]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

I agree that these classes are good to get the entry level guys involved.

But I'll disagree with "Mental" on the thought that you can take John Force's team skill and have them dominate those classes on skill alone - that's not true at all. Chad and I worked with one of Force's top dudes. He knew so much about top fuel engines that he could talk for DAYS and have even Chad listening - without talking - the entire time (the subject and witchcraft are THAT interesting) - but when it came to EFI tuning, and lots of other basic stuff, HE was the listener.

What makes a team like Force Racing so good is that each employee is *focused* on their job. Put them into a different environment, they have to work just as hard as the "lesser" guy to learn what it takes to win. Even in a bracket class.

My comments were a little harsh, so I'm sorry if I ruffled the feathers of the bracket racing guys. I come from a heads up world, where running what you brung is the rule. Street racing is where drag racing got it's start, and it doesn't matter WHAT the NHRA did in the 1960s with bracket racing, the streetracers never raced on an index.

[shaun callaway]

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I agree that these classes are good to get the entry level guys involved.

But I'll disagree with "Mental" on the thought that you can take John Force's team skill and have them dominate those classes on skill alone - that's not true at all. Chad and I worked with one of Force's top dudes. He knew so much about top fuel engines that he could talk for DAYS and have even Chad listening - without talking - the entire time (the subject and witchcraft are THAT interesting) - but when it came to EFI tuning, and lots of other basic stuff, HE was the listener.

What makes a team like Force Racing so good is that each employee is *focused* on their job. Put them into a different environment, they have to work just as hard as the "lesser" guy to learn what it takes to win. Even in a bracket class.

My comments were a little harsh, so I'm sorry if I ruffled the feathers of the bracket racing guys. I come from a heads up world, where running what you brung is the rule. Street racing is where drag racing got it's start, and it doesn't matter WHAT the NHRA did in the 1960s with bracket racing, the streetracers never raced on an index.

;D

[A/Fuel]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

All bets are off when you are running a car with nitro in it.

Mental...Scott could have you sitting in an A/Fueler for less money than you can by a ZR1 Vette.

Brian

Hell I've seen some dragsters for sale that would cost less than a new Camaro.

i've got my eye on this one right here.

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/1...RAGSTER-.html?

it's a great start, and priced right.
i bet i could get this on the track, ready to run with a few spares for around 65K
i'd have you running 5.40's and when you're ready to step it up 30's......with out hurting anything!
if you want to run heads up, give me a call
compare that to a comp or super style car and get back to me.

thanks Brian, i need to get you on the payroll ;D

[Brian Lohnes]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

No you're right...no idex, but the did negotiate lengths right?

;D

[BangShiftChad]

Re: Anyone else find Super Gas/Street/Comp boring?

I agree that these classes are good to get the entry level guys involved.

But I'll disagree with "Mental" on the thought that you can take John Force's team skill and have them dominate those classes on skill alone - that's not true at all. Chad and I worked with one of Force's top dudes. He knew so much about top fuel engines that he could talk for DAYS and have even Chad listening - without talking - the entire time (the subject and witchcraft are THAT interesting) - but when it came to EFI tuning, and lots of other basic stuff, HE was the listener.

What makes a team like Force Racing so good is that each employee is *focused* on their job. Put them into a different environment, they have to work just as hard as the "lesser" guy to learn what it takes to win. Even in a bracket class.

My comments were a little harsh, so I'm sorry if I ruffled the feathers of the bracket racing guys. I come from a heads up world, where running what you brung is the rule. Street racing is where drag racing got it's start, and it doesn't matter WHAT the NHRA did in the 1960s with bracket racing, the streetracers never raced on an index.

;D

Okay, I disagree. Read on.

I don't like electronics racing. That doesn't matter, because lots of racers do. Good for them.
Heads up racing exists only in pro categories, and Top Alcohol Funny Car and Dragster, except under certain circumstances where two class cars meet in eliminations, etc. If you go outside the NHRA there are other sanctioning bodies that have heads up classes. Fine, but they are not all affordable for the average guy. Doesn't mean their aren't classes that are affordable, but there are a lot that aren't.

Scott's argument is that street racers are what started "drag racing", and they don't race on indexes. While they may not have a true "index", they also don't race heads up all that often. Now the common deal is "I'll give you two and the leave." just as an example.

The truth is that without bracket racing, there would be no drag racing anymore. Not every car can fit in some class without having 1000's of classes. Bracket racing makes the regular guy support his local track with whatever he has to run.