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  • Calling Out Matt Layman, RAIVJudge70!!!

    As most of you are aware, Matt Layman (RAIVJudge70) had agreed to do a full restoration on my brother Derek’s 1969 Camaro X-11. Just to update everyone, Derek will be making the 2013 Hot Rod Power Tour; however, he WILL NOT be driving his beloved Camaro. Why? Where do I begin….?

    Pictures will never do justice on how Matt raped my brother and sister-in-law. Let me start from the beginning. As you may recall, Matt threw a party on October 8, 2011. That was the weekend I dropped Jade off with Matt to have him repair the quarter panels on Jade. The very NEXT weekend, Derek dropped his 69 Camaro off with Matt.
    Fast forward a couple months to December 10th, that is when I was scheduled to pick my car up. At that time, Matt had told me that Jade was ready and that I would be shocked! In fact, I have saved text messages from Matt telling me that Jade looked good enough that she was “SEMA” show quality. As some of you have seen in person, she is nowhere near SEMA show ready. Not only do I have runs in my paint, but you can clearly see DA Sanding marks underneath the paint. I now have clear coat peeling off my door and fender, and there is overspray, literally, everywhere!! I was so upset that I literally loaded my car on the trailer and left Matt’s house instantly. I canceled my plans of hanging out with him the weekend and went straight back to Alabama. Matt knew instantly how upset and hurt I was and much he let me down; but yet, he has never once admitted to all his mistakes. For the past year all I’ve heard is, “I want to make it right”…. But yet, no explanation or any resolution on how he’s going to make it right. Now he refuses to answer his phone or emails…. Go figure!! I went as far as to get estimates to have Justin, the original painter, redo my car….. But yet, Matt continues to ignore and dodge me.

    Now, on to Derek’s car; the past year has been nothing but lies from Matt. For months, Derek & Kathy have been trying to take a weekend off to come look at the progress of the car. Time and time again, Matt has reassured them that the car was looking better than “new” and that they would be completely shocked at the result. Derek gave Matt over $6,000 for new sheet metal for his car. Let me repeat that, Derek gave Matt over $6,000 for new quarters, a new trunk pan, new rear valance panel, new inner quarters, and new frame rails. Matt even showed Derek & Kathy a receipt!!! For a year, it was lie after lie after lie…. They would ask for updated detailed pictures, Matt would never deliver. It was ALWAYS one excuse after another. If his phone wouldn’t take pictures, they couldn’t get them to download on the internet. Hell, at one point Kathy asked to send a memory card in the mail and they would pay for it. But yet, nothing ever came.

    After pushing the delivery date back several times, month after month, Kathy finally got in touch with the interior guy. The car had a no shit, drop date for interior. According to Matt, it would be mostly put back together and completely running before it went to interior. Matt told my brother and sister that he had installed the new American Powertrain Tremec 5-Speed, installed the brand new custom Vintage Heating/AC unit, and went as far as to tell them that everything worked perfect. He even informed them that he had driven the car. They believed that once it was back from interior, all Matt would have to do is button up last minute things before delivering it back to them. Sadly, he was full of nothing but lies and deceit!!

    The truth is; the car NEVER got new sheet metal. Matt stole that $6,000 AND blew it!! Derek & Kathy went to look at the car in person, while it was at interior and both of them cried over the shape of it. Derek called Matt from the interior shop and to no surprise; he had no reason or excuses. The car is a complete loss, as the engine has sat outside, in the weather, completely open for a year. Parts are rusted beyond repair, and now they have invested over $6K for interior that is a waste. The trunk pan still has holes in it and the frame rails are still rusted. The car is waiver than the Atlantic Ocean, but yet, Matt was going to take “care” of them. Matt did them so dirty that Derek drove straight to his house to pick up as many new parts as possible. Of course Matt wasn’t home, so Derek & blew his phone up. When he showed up, Tina literally dropped him off at the driveway and took off. According to Derek & Kathy, she was waiting a block or two away with two other guys. I’m assuming they were there just in case Derek started to beat the shit out of Matt…..

    Where’s everything at now. Well, here are some pictures of how it showed up to Dereks house, after it left the interior shop. Matt did pay to ship it back to Missouri, along with EVERY single piece of equipment that I have ever given him. Many of you may remember Matt wearing a Digital Camo Boonie Hat with his last name on it…. Yup, I gave that to him and he actually had the balls to send it back. I realize that pictures will never do anything justice, but I assure you that it’s bad enough that an insurance adjuster out of Kansas City, MO has NEVER seen anything this horrible in his 20+ years of working with Classic Cars.

    We still can’t figure out what would possess Matt to lie for over a year, hiding and covering up every single white lie. What hurts me the most is the fact that I was the one that stuck my neck out on the line and referred Matt. I’m the one that defended Matt over and over and yet, this is how he treated Derek and Kathy and their prize possession. They don’t have any kids, so this was truly their baby and now it’s destroyed. Matt manipulated them for over a year and completely raped them. No, he doesn’t answer his phone or emails. No, he hasn’t refunded them the $6,000. No, he hasn’t done ANYTHING to help repair Jade. All he did was take a perfectly good car and destroy it, completely breaking my brother down during the entire process. Derek will never give Classic Muscle Cars another chance, as this was a living nightmare for him. Because of Matt, he has been living in a Hell trying to get this car ready for the 2013 Power Tour…..

    My point in this entire email is simple; for ANYONE that is considering doing business or trusting Matt Layman, I would highly reconsider!! Yes, there are two sides to every story, but all you have to do is look at the car in person, read all the texts and emails from Matt, himself, and you’ll know the truth. Every single Text, Email, and Phone Call has been documented. After all, the truth will Always, ALWAYS set you free!!

    Derek, I’m truly sorry brother. All I can say is- Karma is a BITCH!!!
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    Last edited by Bucky67; December 15, 2012, 10:50 AM.
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    uh oh.....this post should generate some responses......

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    • #3
      What's sad Rexdogg is, this thread won't ever recover the loss that my brother has taken, nor will it ever generate the truth on what Matt spent their $6,000 on.

      Just when you think you know someone.....
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bucky67 View Post
        What's sad Rexdogg is, this thread won't ever recover the loss that my brother has taken, nor will it ever generate the truth on what Matt spent their $6,000 on.

        Just when you think you know someone.....
        the more I thought about it, didn't a bunch of us hook up somewhere during one of the Power Tours (don't remember where now).....and, didn't a few of the midwest guys go to Matt's house one year (?) for a small party/cookout?........same Matt?

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        • #5
          Yes sir.... You are correct. That is the same Matt. The cookout you are referring too is the cookout where I left my car with Jade. Probably one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made.

          Like I said, I'm not sure what's going on, but the damage will never be fixed nor will the losses ever be recuperated. Derek is going to cut ties with the car & just forget about hot-rodding.

          I wish I knew what happened but the evidence remains in my garage and Derek's garage. Several BS members have seen my car in person and were shocked. If you saw Derek's Camaro, it would blow your mind after reading all his emails and text messages.
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          • #6
            Man that sucks brother! I don't even know what to say.
            I R Bob
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            • #7
              Am curious as to the other side of the story.....doesn't sound however that it will be forthcoming. trying hard not to judge (npi)
              Maybe I can clear this up.....I thought the cop was a prostitute.

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              • #8
                i sure hope your bro doesnt just give up on the car, even though i could understand wanting to.

                it is a shame that your bro didnt heed your warning...


                good luck
                Charles

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                • #9
                  Bucky and Derick I too am at a loss for words,but Derick please don't give up on the sport or the car if you have too put it in the garage and build a crate around it until the hurt goes away if it is your dream car don't give up on her. Take Care.
                  Greg & Mendy Dayton, Ohio 2007LH 2008LH 2010LH 2011LH 2012 1st 2 stops 2013LH 2015 1st 2 stops2016LH 2017 first and last stops . 2018 LH ("It's better to be dead and cool than alive and uncool!! Harley Davidson!")

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                  • #10
                    Update......

                    Thank you for all the support. Wishful thinking on Derek keeping the car. I can't begin to express how upset he is over this or the impact and stress it added to his marriage. Both him and Kathy agree that it's better to just get rid of it and leave hot rodding alone....

                    As for the other side of the story, I'd Love it too!! I have a ton of emails from Matt saying "sorry" and "he'll make it right", but none explaining why this happened. None explaining where the $6,000 went that he stole from my brother. No explanation of all the lies!! Not one damn thing..... Just lie after lie after lie. Even after he was caught, had several times to come clean and make things right.... He's still lie.

                    To be quite honest, if he ever signs back on and chimes in, I have no idea how much I would believe if any.....

                    Here are a few more pictures. The first ones were taken at my house after Derek and I did a LOT of work on the car and engine. The other pics are in Derek's garage, AFTER the complete restoration was "completed". When you're looking at the pictures, the frame was "powder-coated", the entire car had been driven, engine been ran, and the new AC was installed and operated with no issues.

                    And yes, we have emails from Matt claiming all the above. In fact, Derek was told by Matt to call Vintage and tell them that the kit worked perfectly and that there were NO issues or problems. Yup, looks like everything was installed and hooked up to me!!!

                    I will have plenty more once all this unfolds....
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                    • #11
                      Bucky, our hearts are breaking over this as well... our thoughts are with you, so keep on roddin' brother !!
                      We all know for the most part we are a family and will pull together in the end! Keep us posted!!
                      Patrick & Tammy
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by silver_bullet View Post
                        Bucky, our hearts are breaking over this as well... our thoughts are with you, so keep on roddin' brother !!
                        We all know for the most part we are a family and will pull together in the end! Keep us posted!!
                        Hey Patrick, that's what hurts the most. The fact that Matt & I were as close as we were, but yet he took advantage of my brother!!

                        As for me, I'll keep rodding with Jade. And if I can't get her fixed before the 2013 Hot Rod Power Tour, then the entire BangShift family can see the shitty work Matt does in person.

                        This entire ordeal crushes me because at the end of the day, Matt lost a really, true friend that would have done anything for him.

                        Trust me, I'll be more than happy to keep everyone updated!!
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                        • #13
                          Matt never seemed like the type of guy to do something like this. The evidence is pretty clear, but something tells me something went wrong in his life... I hope it isn't drugs. . .
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                          • #14
                            Bucky, I have seen first hand some of the issues that you speak of. This situation seems very out of character for Matt. I cannot and will not speculate as to how or why it happened, but can only hope that everything works out in the end for all parties involved. I also hope Derek and Kathy don't stop hot rodding because of this, as this situation is not typical of the hobby in general.
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                            • #15
                              James & Mike- Trust me, this is way out of character for someone that I THOUGHT I knew. But the fact is, Derek & Kathy are out over $12,000!! All in one year!! That is a lot to lose, and they will never get that back. That doesn't include the brand new Vintage Heating/AC that was NEVER installed. That doesn't include the American Powertrain 5-Speed kit that was NEVER installed. Add those two together and you have another $5,500 in brand new parts!!

                              Mike, I highly doubt it will work out for all parties in the end.... Sad part is, speculation is all Derek & Kathy can do because they will never have closure. They'll never know why Matt lied for a year, why he sent the car to interior like that, what he did with their $6,000, why he lied to them about all new metal and offered to show them a receipt....

                              The only thing that we do know is; now we know the truth why he dodged them for a year, why he would NEVER send pictures, and why he won't answer the phone or email.
                              Last edited by Bucky67; December 15, 2012, 11:08 AM.
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