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    Figured you might enjoy some pics of the father in-laws Givenchy edition Mark V.
    He found it in a barn in upstate NY. It had sat for 10 years, rotting. It was still solid on the underside though.
    I got it running for him and he drove it in that condition for a couple of years as a summer fun beater. It burned oil like crazy though....a quart every 100 miles!!! I did a compression check and everything looked good? I wondered if the oil use was caused by something other than bad ring seal. We ended up doing a cheap topend rebuild. The parts we used were, pre72 timing chain (non retarded), Summit racing cam (204/214), Edlebrock valve springs, performer intake, 750 carb and recurved the distributor. The drivetrain recieved B&M shift kit and 3.00 gears in the nine inch. The sucker runs really strong now compared to stock!! From a roll, it will stay pretty close to my wifes '00 5speed Mustang GT. The oil use came from wasted valve seals and leaking intake gaskets. It still uses oil though....now only 1 quart every 1000 miles. But hey, it has 133,000 miles and 10,000 of the last miles were in hopped up condition with us not being very gentle with it!!

    We got serious about going on Hot Rod Power tour in the winter of '04 and started doing bodywork.... The pics are pretty self explanatory!








    The paint turned out pretty good for a garage shoot..... If I would man up and color sand it, it would look even better!! Trying to find a vinyl top guy around here is hard, so we just "painted on" the vinyl top
    On hot rod power tour we saw the "crate camaro" The 69 camaro built with reproduction body. The drove the snot out of that car!!!

    And only two other Mark V's on the trip, here is one of them


    We also tested some of the wide open spaces on that trip!!!


    We also tested the tires.......



    We wanted to go on Power Tour again in '07 and decided to change up the look alittle bit. We threw on some dirt cheap Cragar 441 wheels (15x8) and 255/70/15 tires. I also took off the front bumperettes and made fillers from left over bumper trim.



    The next project is a newish budget 460. We were given a FREE 75 town car with a supposed 70,000 miles (the motor seemed pretty clean inside, so maybe?) The frame was pretty rusty (as was everything else) so we didn't feel too bad about parting it out! (it doesn't look too bad in pictures....but it was a bondo bucket)





    Engine specs
    D3VE heads that cc'd around 97.
    D3VE with stock valve size/bolt down rockers, and minor clean up on the exhaust side(shaped the guides, ground down the smog bump)
    Standard bore block with flattop speed pros (cranking compression 160psi)
    The block is not decked and the pistons are down .028 in the hole.
    Comp EX262H (218/224 .518/520) with suggested comp springs(spring pressures checked by machinist)
    Ford Racing timing chain M-6268-B429
    Performer intake/750 carb with exhaust crossover blocked
    Recurved factory distributor(14 int, 35 total in at 2800rpm)
    Stock fuel pump
    2.5 dual exhaust, magnaflow mufflers and manifolds
    Broader performance 12" 2200rpm stall converter, shift kit C6, 3.00 gears open rear.
    Total weight 5000lbs


    Pic of my crappy porting job on the exhaust port.....







    I ended up setting the timing at 18* initial and limited the total to 38 at 2800 rpm and it runs pretty good!! But I still thought there would be more? Is there a good how to book on fine tuning? The timing marks look correct using a piston stop, after I used it correctly.

    I did regear, sort of. I stuck some 195/60/15's on and ran it around. (29"s tall to 24.3"s tall) With an inch less rubber width and effective gear ratio of 3.50 it does good burnouts, but it isn't as brutal in the upper RPM's like I thought it'd be. We didn't go too fast because we are right at the limit of the weight rating of these tires. But kicking it down a gear at 30mph isn't night and day from the tall tires...... (Thats the problem. If this car is all about seat of the pants performance, I'm not willing to run the extra revs on the highway without major gains)

    Here's a couple of burnout pics with the tiny tires...... Amazing, this car with rear disc brakes will not power brake at all, even with the tiny tires and 3.50 efective gear ratio.....
    We're having fun and thats all that matters!






    Big-n-littles for the Lincoln!!
    I found a set of dirt cheap 15x7's with 235/70's and 15x10's with 275/60's off a 78 chevy truck and bought the whole set for 40 bucks!! The rims are rusty and the tires are dry rotted, but it is a cheap way to check out a different look!




    I'll get better pics in the spring when there isn't 10"s of snow in front of the garage....

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    Very cool and different rod. It's amazing how a set of wheels and tires can make luxury boat look like a hot rod. There used to be a rodded a 69 Lincoln coupe with a neat rake and massive tires.

    I really like how you kept the original tires in order to sacrifice them to gods of smoke.
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    • #3
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      Land yacht are awesome, especially in burn out attire.
      Escaped on a technicality.

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      • #4
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        Love the car and the color, My Dad had a gray one. my brother sold it.
        61 Olds 88, 69 Plymouth Roadrunner, 68 Pontiac Firebird, 95 Buick Roadmaster LT1

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        • #5
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          Those cars will always be close to my heart because a friend of my brothers who was one of my hero's at that age always borrowed his Dads - and he and my brother would go cruising in it - since his '69 firebird (which was no small part of gaining his hero status in my book) was often taken apart.


          Keep in mind it is a HEAVY car you are trying to motivate - and you don't have that much compression or cam - so, it's a 460 - but it's not going to be brutal on the power.... ever considered a turbo?
          There's always something new to learn.

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          • #6
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            cool project....man I am digging green cars lately.....garage paint looks good

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by Beagle
              I think the original is like a truck tire, 235-75x15...

              "The block is not decked and the pistons are down .028 in the hole.
              Comp EX262H (218/224 .518/520) with suggested comp springs(spring pressures checked by machinist) "

              IMO, There it is - I'd expect it to pull very strong off idle, but I wouldn't think it would want to rev all that much. Does it feel like it's laying down about 4500-5000 or so?
              You're right on all. The factory size is 235/75/15, the 255/70's we're running now are about the same height, 29"s. And the motor is all done around 4500 or so.

              We realize this car is worthless dollar wise, so this was a very budget minded build. Unforunately we had to make some sacrifices. The one thing I should have insisted on was decking the block closer to zero to help quench.....
              The cam I chose was about the biggest we could run without changing to an adjustable valve train. We kept the compression low for pump gas reasons. I didn't even do a valve job.... The guides felt tight so I lapped them and threw it together. There was minimal cylinder taper so a ballhone and plateau brush later it was ready to be cleaned up and put together.
              All this cheapness and we still spent well over a grand and that's not including the extras...(exhaust, converter, guages.....) He still needs a better driveshaft, but Lincolns have a weird bolt on snout on the pinion flange of the 9" that I need to figure out if I have to keep it or can go to a traditional yoke. Denny's driveshaft build my last one, I'll probably use him again.

              My only disappointment is it isn't that much stronger than the stock motor with RV cam. But the changes we made in retrospect are more minor than I realised. I thought a point more compression, two steps bigger cam, slightly opened up exhaust ports and looser converter would really wake it up. Its better, but not night and day better.
              It really needs headers (hooker super comp 6126) $600(but I kind of thought because of the low RPM they wouldn't matter as much)
              Better worked over heads ( http://reincarnation-automotive.com/ ) $1100
              Adjustable valve train with roller rockers $350
              Better cam (Lunati 61602)$200
              Better intake (Performer RPM) $240
              Unfortunately this car isn't worth another $2500 worth of motor mods, let alone beef up the rest of the drivetrain to handle launching 5000lbs without breakage....

              I do have a trac-loc 9" center section to play with..... But I'm afraid if I don't step way down to 3.70's, the old boat won't be able to turn both of the 255/70's.... I still might keep the 3.00's for Power Tour, 3.70's for around home fun?

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                Actually I don't know the head gasket thickness off the top of my head...... Standard rebuilder Felpros, I'm pretty sure 0.041. Cranking compression was 125psi before the rebuild 160psi after.

                Headers are a pain because the passenger side fitment is tight!!! I haven't heard of anything else fitting. But cutting and pasteing a dirt cheap set of used headers sounds like a good idea to try....

                I was wondering about a blower...... Is there anyway to put something together on the cheap? I think plumbing a/or a pair of turbos would be pretty tough.

                The only reason I'm shying away from really low gears is because of the low operating RPM the car. It just runs out of breath too fast. Taller gears keep it in the power band longer, but don't multiply the power enough to over come the weight penalty to burn nice posi marks. The car is basically a cruiser that the father in-law can do burnouts in, so keeping the balance between cruiser and off idle tire shredding with this much weight is tough. With the tiny tires there were a couple of times it "caught posi", must be traction was equal between tires and it went sideways for a decent distance.... Felt really good, big car bellowing sideways in tire smoke.... I'd like to make it so he can experience that at will, not just with tiny tires when they have equal traction.

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                • #9
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                  I love it! Always wanted to do a '73...
                  Editor-at-Large at...well, here, of course!

                  "Remy-Z, you've outdone yourself again, I thought a Mirada was the icing on the cake of rodding, but this Imperial is the spread of little 99-cent candy letters spelling out "EAT ME" on top of that cake."

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                  • #10
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                    I love it, too! Thanks for the pics -- they really illustrate just how much work you're put into it, and how much fun it is!

                    I had a '77 Grand Marquis 4dr, an old man car that was absolutely mint that I picked up for a song. I just couldn't afford to drive it, though, with the 460. Sold it to a local Ford guy, and he ran duals on it, swapped the carb, played with the timing in the distributor, and -- for the big yacht that it was -- it rocked after that! I regret that I couldn't have done that to it myself.

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                    • #11
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                      Love it! Looks like you're having a blast with it on the cheap which makes it all the more fun. Great job!!!!
                      Tom
                      Overdrive is overrated


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                      • #12
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                        Looks like a great ride for a little cash.
                        Hauling ass & sucking gas are the best uses for a truck.

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                        • #13
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                          My brother almost bought a 70 Mk. 3.
                          Fire engine red w/ big and little Cragars.
                          I love em, just so heavy.

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                            Cool car man, looks like the one that I scrapped after pulling the 460 for my last '79 F-100. It was a '77 but it had major rust issues.

                            This is very interesting, mostly because you built almost the exact same motor that I am working on right now for my '79 F250 project. I have the same Edelbrock Performer intake and 750 carb, was planning to run stock pistons (to save coin, only 50k on them) but shave the heads ~0.020 to get the compression up around 9.5:1 or so. I have a set of cheap Hedman headers, and I am planning to port the heads per RHP's online porting guide, reuse stock valves.

                            I also am looking for seat-of-the pants performance on the cheap. Its gonna get cruised a lot, so I didn't want to go wild on the came, just wanted good hit on low-mid range so I could roast the tires easily. With that in mind, I bought a Lunati Voodoo cam, part No. 61600. Here are the specs:
                            Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 250/256
                            Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 207/213
                            Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .503/.535
                            LSA/ICL: 112/108
                            Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
                            RPM Range: idle-5000

                            The cam specs are also very similar to yours, which makes me think that I may not be as impressed with this setup as I originally thought. Maybe I should go with the 61601 instead?

                            One question for you: did you have to shim the rockers or run different length pushrods with the cam that you chose?
                            Still plays with trucks....

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                            • #15
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                              I think you need to check out your math a little bit more on the head shaving.... I think it will take quite a bit more than .020 to get to 9.5:1. I was going to go that route and figured I'd have to cut at least .060 to see much change. By the time you have the heads shaved you can buy cheap flat tops for not much more money and not have to worry about valvetrain problems and intake manifold fitment.
                              Also, if you go with much more lift on the cam, you'll need to convert to an adjustable valvetrain. That's why I picked the Comp Cam that I did.... It's about the biggest I found that could use the stock valvetrain. That's how I got away without shimming the rockers.

                              I think a lot of my problem was big expectations and not enough real world knowlege on how a 325/350hp motor in a 5000lbs boat would perform. From what I hear it is about right. I just expected more. Until I can get some real dragstrip or dyno numbers, there is no real way to tell if the power is in the right ball park.

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