AFR Composite Intakes.......

[TheSilverBuick]

Droplets are denser than vapor, think of water and steam.........

Last I checked, the droplets of water and steam have the same density....... which is 1 gram per cubic centimeter.

[JeffMcKC]

Go take a physic's course. If you have the exactly the same mass of gasoline in the runner (rather vapor or big droplets) then it's displacing the same volume of air/oxygen either way, as it's still a liquid and nearly incompressible. The difference between the two is surface area, and general concensus is greater the exposed surface area the better and quicker the burn, hence vapor has more gasoline surface area to react with oxygen so burns faster and better than larger droplets with less surface area. Hence my point about it being a direct contradiction. Go take a physics course.

This is the way I see it. I know a few guys that will give you some questions to ask Mr Vizard when you see him it makes him not happy when you do, so be sure and get lunch in first.

[TheSilverBuick]

Just ran across this, figured it's appropriate at some point.

[SpiderGearsMan]

brandywine cylinderheads had the same intake out 25 years ago

[TC]

Last I checked, the droplets of water and steam have the same density....... which is 1 gram per cubic centimeter.

I believe you, only difference is one takes up a larger volume of space than the other does........

[dieselgeek]

I believe you, only difference is one takes up a larger volume of space than the other does........

TC takes an interesting position in this argument: you can't argue density or mass with someone who refuses to understand the concept of either.

[TC]

99% of publications are for the novice...that's the audience. Anyone who plays in the stratosphere isn't sharing.

(This 1,200hp twin turbo small-block TC is dreaming about, is way out of his league. That's why his posts keep the entertainment factor up in the clouds.)

Do you have anything useful to add to this board or is trolling me the only contribution?? If anyone wants to look at your recent posts they will see that 90+% of them are just trolling me........ And what do you know anyway??, so you had some shop build you a small block 20 years ago for your garage queen, now your suppose to be some sort of expert or something??......... But hey keep on trolling..........

[dieselgeek]

You can't claim trolling TC when that's what most of your posts here are doing. The rest of them are flaunting misinformation, statements you copied word for word from other forums and claim to be your own (until you get busted, then you turn a 180).

Meanwhile, I think every single person here is tired of hearing your expertise and you haven't even screwed together your own running engine in apparently 20 or more years, longer than the Internet has been around.

Maybe you should just finish the project, THEN share how awesome you are when it's done?

[dieselgeek]

And don't even think about bitching that I haven't put together my own car or engine, because I am NOT on here telling everyone else how to do theirs.

I spent more time working on cars in the last 30 days then you did in the past 10 years, that's no bullshit.

[TC]

And don't even think about bitching that I haven't put together my own car or engine, because I am NOT on here telling everyone else how to do theirs.

I spent more time working on cars in the last 30 days then you did in the past 10 years, that's no bullshit.

Ya and the ten years before that I worked on more cars than you have in you life.... So what don't think your special or anything..... And I don't call pressing buttons on a keyboard or soldering wires together working on cars........ The real question is how many cylinder heads have you bolted on or taken off an engine yourself, ya none, we all know..........

Thing is man until you actually build a car of your own you'll never know what it takes to build a car of your own, so anything you saying about it is not from experience so why would anyone take your word for it........ Funny thing is the more I read Vizard the more I find debating these subjects with you is worthless, because you just don't understand the concepts........ I'm starting to understand more and more why engine builders don't want to give up their "secrets", because there will always be some jack-wad that's going to talk crap because they think they know it all.........

And remember the fuel vaporizing and displacing air entering the cylinder is not my idea, it is what Vizard stated in his book....... And I'd take Vizards word over some computer hack that dyno tunes motors on the side any day........

[dieselgeek]

Ya and the ten years before that I worked on more cars than you have in you life.... So what don't think your special or anything..... And I don't call pressing buttons on a keyboard or soldering wires together working on cars........ The real question is how many cylinder heads have you bolted on or taken off an engine yourself, ya none, we all know..........

Thing is man until you actually build a car of your own you'll never know what it takes to build a car of your own, so anything you saying about it is not from experience so why would anyone take your word for it........ Funny thing is the more I read Vizard the more I find debating these subjects with you is worthless, because you just don't understand the concepts........ I'm starting to understand more and more why engine builders don't want to give up their "secrets", because there will always be some jack-wad that's going to talk crap because they think they know it all.........

If I wanted everyone to think I was a total loser, then maybe I'd follow your recipe. It seems to work great for you, just ask anyone here. And we all know how your attempts at becoming an EFI Tuner turned out. Total zilch because it's something you can't understand how to do. Go ahead and talk it down but we all know you tried, and failed, to be an EFI whiz.

And remember the fuel vaporizing and displacing air entering the cylinder is not my idea, it is what Vizard stated in his book....... And I'd take Vizards word over some computer hack that dyno tunes motors on the side any day........

And yet, Vizard doesn't have a hot rod either. You should let him know that he's not nearly as legitimate as you are Alex. Meanwhile, I understand words like "Density" and "Mass."

:-))

[jcharliem]

Do you have anything useful to add to this board or is trolling me the only contribution?? If anyone wants to look at your recent posts they will see that 90+% of them are just trolling me........ And what do you know anyway??, so you had some shop build you a small block 20 years ago for your garage queen, now your suppose to be some sort of expert or something??......... But hey keep on trolling..........

Believe me... I have no desire to follow you around, as there's no benefit in doing so. Frankly, you're always stepping on your pud - which brings comic relief. Regarding my "garage queen" - think what you will. Fact is... I built it... I maintain it... it hauls the mail... and gets driven. Most of what I know - which is far less than many on this board - came from "doing" not "googling." You should try it someday.

Carry on.

[anotheridiot]

Either way, this was about composite intakes and trying to figure out whether you are vaporizing or dropping in fuel if the plastic will survive. The renault engine looks to have a composite intake with aluminum sleeves the fuel (alcohol, not gasoline) is being sucked into. I say if you cant get a dual plane intake, or air gap intake, which basically create an air space like the hi rise aluminum manifold does anyway, I cant see the advantage other than having the new "must have" piece for your car. All you should worry about people seeing on your car are your tail lights.

[yellomalibu]

Was someone worried about fuel degrading the plastic intakes?

Gas jugs, fuel cells, gas tanks on a plethora of machines... no, I don't think the gas will hurt the plastic.

Exposure to heat over time, or perhaps it's the heating and cooling cycles... that's what I would be concerned with, if anything. Cracking or warping from one of those things. I'd be more worried about the sunlight hitting it when the hood is open than I would be about the gas going through it.

... but I admit I am not "up" on composite materials or their reactions to different elements.

[TC]

All you should worry about people seeing on your car are your tail lights.

This here is a man that truly gets it, thanks for bringing reality back to the thread!!!.....