I need a little help please

[happy39]

I have a 39 ford with a 1968 327 and a turbo 400 trans with an old olds rear end. I want to switch over to a 4 speed. I have sourced a m-20 trans that has been rebuilt. I found a bellhousing pn GM 354496. I want to use a hydraulic clutch setup. Question is will this bellhousing work and what fork setup will I need. Can I source that from Rock Auto or something like that? I know I need a flywheel, pressure plate, clutch and pedal assembly. Is there anything else I am missing?

Thanks

Joe

[Dan Barlow]

I couldn't tell you . Maybe someone else can. Maybe someone like American Powertrain could.

[squirrel]

That's a Monza cable operated type bellhousing, right? Might be fun to try to figure out how to make it hydraulic.....

[Caveman Tony]

V8 (262, 305, 350 cu.in.) GM p/n 465472

is the listed p/n for the clutch cable for a V8 Monza.. (didn't see much for a hydro clutch conversion... might need a different bellhousing for that)

from here: http://www.v8monza.com/faq-tran.htm#...blePartNumbers

[anotheridiot]

when I pulled the powerglide from the straight 6 chevelle to the 396 4 speed, I just got camaro pedals and went to the junk yard and bought a truck bellhousing and an 11" flywheel so I could keep spring pressure down. Then somewhere like rock auto you buy parts from the truck you pulled the housing from if you cant get the fork and throw out bearing at the same time. Hydraulic would be cool, just think most of them were on smaller cars, try novak http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/clutch/kit_hcr3.htm or build something like it.

Throw out bearing and pilot pushing for the crank are two other things you need. I am not sure if all cranks can take a pilot bushing or not.

[Beagle]

Teddyzee has a pic in his thread of how he put the slave cylinder on a T5 bellhousing, should be pretty similar.

http://www.wilwood.com/MasterCylinders/MasterCylinderList.aspx?minorname=Slave Cylinder

is a pull type cylinder.

[anotheridiot]

thats cool too, wilwood knows what they are doing. I'm sure a push cylinder can be used, just need more fabrication to hold it in place.

[DanStokes]

Pretty sure someone is making an internal hydraulic throw out bearing/clutch slave combo for most American applications. Dead simple - just run a line out of the bellhousing. I saw an article (maybe in HRM) but the maker escapes me.

Dan

[happy39]

Thanks guys you all gave some cool insight I will be sure to let you know how this plays out. I got the trans out today so I can start to get a better look at things. If you want I will take some pics as I go.

Joe

[squirrel]

If I were you, I'd look carefully at the existing brake pedal setup, and see if I could figure out how to adapt a mechanical linkage and clutch pedal to the car. If there's some reason why it requires hydraulic linkage, only then would I consider using hydraulics.

[SpiderGearsMan]

I would go with a tilton hydraulic throwout bearing

[squirrel]

I would not try to use the truck bellhousing with a car transmission, unless you also get a centering ring to center the smaller car front bearing retainer in the large hole in the bellhousing.

[Loren]

Yes you'd need to get or make a centering ring, the truck trans gets a bigger hole. I once pulled a bellhousing out of a '90 or-so diesel Suburban, it had the Chevy block pattern and was set up for hydraulic as they used in trucks after '88, with the slave down low on the pass side...there was no trans on the 'burb so I have to imagine it had an NV4500. The SM465 I used required a hole be moved (weld-up and thread). No idea how a Muncie would fit.

Somewhere I have a Wilwood pull-type slave cylinder in a box, seems to me using a normal bellhousing with that running rearward might be a good way to go, I know that's why I bought it but it never got used.

My gripe about hydraulics is when the fork doesn't pull off the throwout bearing all the way and wears it out. The one on that Suburban was smoked. I modified mine with a spring to get some slack.

[anotheridiot]

Yes you'd need to get or make a centering ring, the truck trans gets a bigger hole. I once pulled a bellhousing out of a '90 or-so diesel Suburban, it had the Chevy block pattern and was set up for hydraulic as they used in trucks after '88, with the slave down low on the pass side...there was no trans on the 'burb so I have to imagine it had an NV4500. The SM465 I used required a hole be moved (weld-up and thread). No idea how a Muncie would fit.

Somewhere I have a Wilwood pull-type slave cylinder in a box, seems to me using a normal bellhousing with that running rearward might be a good way to go, I know that's why I bought it but it never got used.

My gripe about hydraulics is when the fork doesn't pull off the throwout bearing all the way and wears it out. The one on that Suburban was smoked. I modified mine with a spring to get some slack.

This is what I meant about being able to use Rockauto for the stuff, finding an application like this one on the 90 suburban to get those stock parts to make it work if you want to stay away from the aftermarket.

[happy39]

Yes you'd need to get or make a centering ring, the truck trans gets a bigger hole. I once pulled a bellhousing out of a '90 or-so diesel Suburban, it had the Chevy block pattern and was set up for hydraulic as they used in trucks after '88, with the slave down low on the pass side...there was no trans on the 'burb so I have to imagine it had an NV4500. The SM465 I used required a hole be moved (weld-up and thread). No idea how a Muncie would fit.

Somewhere I have a Wilwood pull-type slave cylinder in a box, seems to me using a normal bellhousing with that running rearward might be a good way to go, I know that's why I bought it but it never got used.

My gripe about hydraulics is when the fork doesn't pull off the throwout bearing all the way and wears it out. The one on that Suburban was smoked. I modified mine with a spring to get some slack.

I was thinking I would add a spring to help the pull back.