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  • I think we have found the problem.

    The VA has been unable to find anything wrong with me, went to the ER last night because I am always short of breath, and cant even walk up steps without getting winded. The air goes in and out of my lungs ok, but I dont get enough O2 into my system. They put me on O2 for a while and it helped a bit, and when the doc said everything is normal, and my heart isnt stopping, I started looking into environmental possibilities.

    Isocyanate. Its in all sorts of things, but in clears, hardeners, and activators. Some people get sensitized to it easier than others, and when you do it causes asthma like symptoms, shortness of breath, wheezing, etc. It can also cause skin irritation and rashes. The stuff is found in all sorts of things, even foam insulation and mattresses. The stuff wont show up as a problem on any normal test for breathing problems, and the symptoms are almost exactly what I have been getting. Then you figure in I paint cars for fun and something to do in my shop and it all falls into place.

    Turns out I needed a positive displacement air supply instead of the filtered respirator I was using to paint. Thankfully I am not dead, and most people recover but are still sensitive to it. So in the future if I am shooting clear or something with it in it, I will have the right stuff to keep me from getting sick again.

    The problem arose when I shot the clear on the GTO, then a few months later shot Walt's tank and the last few pieces of the GTO with the same respirator. Im pretty sure the stuff saturated the filters and ended up getting a big dose of it through the mask.

    So now the chore is getting the MSDS from the paint shop, then showing it to the VA, getting whatever tests done they need to verify it, and start with the cortisone steroids to fix it. I hate steroids because I get rages so damn bad on them. Now I know not to screw myself up in the future, and I am acutely aware of the hazards involved with my hobby.

    Always check the MSDS on stuff, and see if you are going to kill yourself, or just wish you were dead if you are exposed to something.

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    I'm sorry to hear that. It's bad stuff. It also gets absorbed thru your skin, eyes, etc. Its one reason I'm not very enthusiastic about painting.
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    • #3
      Todd - Super glad you figured this out! I don't seem to be real sensitive to this stuff but at the same time I don't do much of it so my exposure is pretty low. I've been lusting after a supplied-air system for some time and if I start doing more paint I'll probably pull the trigger.

      Most MSDSs are available on line so you should be able to just pull 'em up.

      Best of luck on this
      Dan

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      • #4
        That stuff is in crazy glue and lots of other adhesives, as well as foam board insulation.

        Glad you found it! Is there a sensor that picks it up? I lost a friend in college to carbon monoxide poisoning - could have been prevented with a simple sensor.

        Sure hope the treatment works and you will be back to feeling good again soon.
        There's always something new to learn.

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        • #5
          Anyone use those new water-based paints?

          Any issues with those?

          Are they any good?
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          • #6
            I've only heard that they are harder to get used to for guys that are used to the solvent based, just like the HVLP guns were tough to adjust to for guys that were used to the high pressure traditional guns. I've heard other guys say the stuff takes forever to dry and really shouldn't be attempted if the ambient humidity is high.... it lends itself to a booth with heat lamps.
            - all hear say - YMMV
            There's always something new to learn.

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            • #7
              Well, I ain't one of them fancy car painters.. I use a roller and brush with house paint.. Hey! It gotta look good for the parade lap and sponsor's stencils... If it is muggy.. Gonna get that paint on ya!.. If it isn't completely dry, stencils won't stick! Where the metal was torched or welded, that is where it rusts first..
              Now considering what I know... Water base paint is stupid for cars... But what do I know...

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              • #8
                Good catch. Isocaynates are nasty buggers. I've always worried about them when painting.
                I'm still learning

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by milner351 View Post
                  - all hear say - YMMV
                  Hahahahaha.........you're a class act John!

                  I'm sorry to hear this too.....you gonna get a non-absorbent (non-permeable?) suit too? Jim is right, the bad stuff can get to you in ways other than breathing it........
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by oletrux4evr View Post
                    Hahahahaha.........you're a class act John!

                    I'm sorry to hear this too.....you gonna get a non-absorbent (non-permeable?) suit too? Jim is right, the bad stuff can get to you in ways other than breathing it........
                    Hell yeah, before I paint anything I am going to change a bunch of things. Better ventilation, a suit, better respirator, and a method to keep the overspray off everything else in the shop... That or I will find a better place to paint the clear.

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                    • #11
                      Glad to hear you figured it out, it's good to do your own homework sometimes. I hope you recover quickly.
                      I'm probably wrong

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                      • #12
                        Wow - yea - I never even thought about the skin contact aspect of it.

                        I would say the best thing you can do is use products that don't contain that stuff at all if you can help it. Re-learning how to spray with different products and the techniques / equipment to make them work right - sure beats the hell out of a dirt nap!
                        There's always something new to learn.

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                        • #13
                          Sorry to here that your bad health was self inflicted. Glad it was caught before it killed you. I wouldn't want to be the guy that said, " at least he died doing what he loved......."
                          Previously HoosierL98GTA

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                          • #14
                            P.S. Praying for a fantastic recovery.
                            Previously HoosierL98GTA

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                            • #15
                              Im not sure if we can get paint without this stuff in it anymore, so its more a matter of protection and ventilation for me unless somehow I can manage to pay someone else to paint stuff for me when I do two stage paint. There are single stage paints that dont have this stuff in them, and I dont know if the waterborne stuff uses it or not. Might just end up using HOK or Summit stuff in the future, unless they use the same stuff. Will have to check the MSDS on their products.

                              Almost everything with urethane in it has the stuff that messed me up. You can use a regular filter type ventilator with the other stuff, but damn its hard to find that now and you wont find it in a two stage with the great durability of the clear. The Yellow TA is already getting chalky and its only been painted 3 years. The Cougar has B/C and its still very good looking and it has been painted since 08.

                              If it comes down to it, I can stop painting cars entirely. I drove them for years with crappy paint, there is no reason I cant do that some more. I like the power and handling better than shiny paint, I just couldnt have my yard looking like a junk yard full of rusty old crap with rattle can paint flaking off. So maybe everything will be flat/satin black from now on.

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