is this bad or real bad

[Barry Donovan]

40 something k miles. Was mint. got hit backing out onto a fairly quick road.
jeep liberty.

everyone was ok.

I caved in my sube forward of this spot, but its tin can. smashed it out and welded within 30 minutes. I hope its just the photos..but it looks like the tail end of rails may be shifted. Tough jeep 6k tow package dangling tough.




this photo here. gives indication tail end shifted.



other details I got were the hit was hard enough to spin the jeep around on dry pavement. yikes.

attempt insurance or not? I voted for insurance..4 years old, 40 k miles. get that thing on a jig if need be.

pro opinions? any opinion?

[SuperBuickGuy]

what did it do to the door gaps?

[tardis454]

x2 on the door gaps.
A crappy body shop would pull the quarter & schmuck it with bondo.
A good shop would install a new quarter or get a quarter cut from a junkyard.

[Barry Donovan]

what did it do to the door gaps?

all good but the back hatch.

this could be a tricky one. top squared..just down low did a shift.

very very tough buggy there. They would still scraping body parts up if that was a ricer.
obviously hit by a tall vehicle as well. both drove home.

those frame hits, they become beamers. I vote a laser beaming pro gets at it.

[DanStokes]

Are you thinking of buying it? I agree that it should go on a good frame rack. Also have them pull the body back. Even though you'll want a new quarter it'll fit better if the underlying structures are where they belong. I've talked myself out of the "straighten before bodywork" thing twice and hated myself both times. Never again.

Dan

[Bamfster]

Jeeps can take a good hit .... it's not always what you can see that will "total" it. Frame rack 1st, then make the decision.

[Barry Donovan]

Are you thinking of buying it? I agree that it should go on a good frame rack. Also have them pull the body back. Even though you'll want a new quarter it'll fit better if the underlying structures are where they belong. I've talked myself out of the "straighten before bodywork" thing twice and hated myself both times. Never again.

Dan

its my parents. I won't be buying.

if it is tweaked chassis I'll feel bad. I hope they get lucky on a diagnosis.

that is the toughest brick I have seen. The chevy tracker they used to have was also a very dense little brick. the jeep is even tougher.

the back end is easy for this stuff.
proof positive frame and chassis is better than a tin can unibody.

edit:
I got some more details on the big wreck. hit by a 3/4 ton or better truck. the driver (my adopted little sister) of the jeep is a newb, very fresh license. My father is making here go back to school, and tests like for peripheral vision etc. This is 4 times caught doing something way off of distance action comprehension..way out there. That is an error enough to seek an explanation. He does have 3 other kids he drove around gaining license to compare to.

for me and the beginning it was a broken frame swaying delta88 and tractor trailer. He never really paid attention when I drove. this is probably an eye opener finding a natural problem and being a teacher/mentor.

the jeep just has a crossmember in the very end of frame and that twacked over, frame did not even lose dust... and the rear quarter and gate. inner and outer parts. All getting fixed. still drives smooth, no "shimmies".

I was just talking with my dad..imagine if that was a car of any kind. the height of the truck that hit would have pulverized.

[moparmaniac07]

My sister's got a Liberty. She was at a stoplight when a lady in a 'BMW suv thingy or Subaru Forrester' "hit her spare tire". The woman that hit her sped off. I thought the tire's a little high for anything but a truck to hit, but there were no marks on the Jeep. Maybe they are pretty tough.

[Barry Donovan]

My sister's got a Liberty. She was at a stoplight when a lady in a 'BMW suv thingy or Subaru Forrester' "hit her spare tire". The woman that hit her sped off. I thought the tire's a little high for anything but a truck to hit, but there were no marks on the Jeep. Maybe they are pretty tough.

first thing I did was get a look underneath when they brought it home. looking things over reading the book...found it was a 6k pound tow package. wow.

very stout.
same thickness of framing in even the bigger pickups..but all stumpy wheel based, boxed in and...its a brick.

it is the type of dense where even a slow engine has a quick snap take off. no squish from the chassis.

I will be giving up my last attempt at awd and unibody (old subaru ten speed). the tracker, and jeeps made my mind up some time ago. A wrangler four door, cherokee two door, all kinds of combos out there.

[Barry Donovan]

real bad

I am humoring an update to this..
a quote of 7800.

it is tweaked. The place they went to can pluck a pretzel into show car, they must have found something frame related.

real shame.
attempting to be optimistic there was some years of high premiums and rates won't change. Rare luck there. most people eat this cost.

2007 inmaine is the beginning of the end for chassis, this one is going back to a pros version of brand new. Add five years to the little jeep like rewinding a timer.

another oddity in the bill is claming free rental car..but I could guess the 30 days they are keeping the jeep is another thing to look at on the bill.

it gets me wondering on custom builds on cars in antique status. Insurance shrugs stuff off in the wrong places.

[Deaf Bob]

Huh! Frame shop takes 30 days to straighten a frame? What do they do? Marinate it?
Admittingly my methods are considered hackery by most of you on this site... A roll bed brings a sky high GM back to useable condition, meaning..ready to make hits and take hits... In 2 minutes!
The other way takes longer with the stout frame of a heavy trailer, chains, and bottle jack... But not more than 2-3 hours max.
I should be in frame straightening rather than tweaking...

[DanStokes]

I'm guessing here Bob but I'm thinking that includes completing the body work, paint, etc. A lot of that time usually involves messin' with the insurance company and getting their blessing to begin the repair.

Nothin' wrong with a stout tree and a stouter chain. I've done many a "tree job". It's always fun to demonstrate that to the uninitiated.

Dan

[Barry Donovan]

I'm guessing here Bob but I'm thinking that includes completing the body work, paint, etc. A lot of that time usually involves messin' with the insurance company and getting their blessing to begin the repair.

Nothin' wrong with a stout tree and a stouter chain. I've done many a "tree job". It's always fun to demonstrate that to the uninitiated.

Dan

I've done the tree job for a subaru. found original errors in the process.

the tin cans are sledge hammer at most, and a good tug with something heavier. I had my own looking like it was getting hung from a noose, a chain up into a crotch of a big pine tree, the other end on the back end I gracefully stabbed to get a wrap. got a good running start picked up its own back end. Tougher than I thought but did get the stretch.

if the place doing the jeep has the same stuff I have seen..the frame tweaker even overcompensates for the snap back...extremely slow maneuvre. no quick tugs. laser measuring fancy stuff. little wheel base is easier.

They play with original pinch welds at the wndows to get panels. all so slow. this one needs an inner support to in the back.