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  • DanStokes
    Ancient LSR Guy
    • Oct 2007
    • 28673

    #196
    "Turbos" and "mileage" works for Ford.

    Dan

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    • SuperBuickGuy
      No Life Outside BangShift.com
      • Jan 2008
      • 32245

      #197
      turbos and mileage are equal to wife's blessing of this build ....
      Doing it all wrong since 1966

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      • Bob Holmes
        Legendary BangShifter
        • Apr 2011
        • 3549

        #198
        Whatever it takes, whatever it takes...
        I'm still learning

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        • SuperBuickGuy
          No Life Outside BangShift.com
          • Jan 2008
          • 32245

          #199
          after spending my working time last night trying to package said turbos, I'm questioning my sanity on that whole issue.

          It'd certainly have been easier to package a larger, single turbo....
          Doing it all wrong since 1966

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          • Stich496
            Banned
            • Apr 2011
            • 3269

            #200
            Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
            after spending my working time last night trying to package said turbos, I'm questioning my sanity on that whole issue.

            It'd certainly have been easier to package a larger, single turbo....
            you're reengineering the front, just make the turbo intercooler pipe the front rails. now you only have to fit the ones from the cooler to the intake..

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            • milner351
              No Life Outside BangShift.com
              • Nov 2007
              • 16033

              #201
              you could always leave the turbos out of it for the first phase of the build, run it NA and see how it goes, add the pressure to the chambers later?
              There's always something new to learn.

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              • SuperBuickGuy
                No Life Outside BangShift.com
                • Jan 2008
                • 32245

                #202
                Originally posted by milner351 View Post
                you could always leave the turbos out of it for the first phase of the build, run it NA and see how it goes, add the pressure to the chambers later?
                I seriously considered that - except it's going to require sheetmetal mods to put the turbos in, so if I leave them out now they're left out forever because I won't be cutting into freshly painted sheetmetal to add the turbos......

                My tentative plan (subject to continued thought and input) is to pull the motor, mount the turbos in about the location that makes the most sense (between the rearmost two cylinders on each side and about the height of the valve covers) than make the sheetmetal fit. the largest issue to fitment is whether or not I can turn the wheels or I have to move them farther outboard. I could put them in front of the motor; but then (especially the driver's side) the steering and oil filter are really in the way so I'd have to find a DOT approved rubber steering column...
                Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                • Beagle
                  "Flounder"
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 13804

                  #203
                  Originally posted by SuperBuickGuy View Post
                  after spending my working time last night trying to package said turbos, I'm questioning my sanity on that whole issue.

                  It'd certainly have been easier to package a larger, single turbo....
                  Passenger seat. You're out of real estate in the front... maybe the headlight cavities? Trunk mount! It's not that far from the hood to the trunk, you won't lose that much heat, and they will be like mufflers anway.
                  Flying south, with a flock of bird dogs.

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                  • DanStokes
                    Ancient LSR Guy
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 28673

                    #204
                    Beags has a point. Any chance of making the turbos rear mount? Probably cost you most of the trunk but it's a thought.

                    Dan

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                    • JOES66FURY
                      Deputy Director Procrastination & Incompetence Dept.
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 12184

                      #205
                      Why not remote mount them ala STS?
                      If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower. - Mark Donohue

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                      • Bob Holmes
                        Legendary BangShifter
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 3549

                        #206
                        Originally posted by DanStokes View Post
                        "Turbos" and "mileage" works for Ford.

                        Dan
                        Its all about context, isn't it Dan? I bet that NA this beasty will have a better power to weight ratio than my roadrace car.
                        I'm still learning

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                        • SuperBuickGuy
                          No Life Outside BangShift.com
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 32245

                          #207
                          I'm fairly sure I can put them where I want to - it does require some pretty extensive fabrication, but I know I can do it.... the biggest issue is my lack of experience in race car design. Ah well, you all will have ringside seats to the results.

                          I actually think I've come up with a plan to get some more room. Although there is a lot of merit to mounting the turbos in the back - such as eliminating the need for an intercooler (the length of pipe will be more than enough to cool the air.)

                          As for the passenger - remember, I'm making a 4 seat car into a 2 seat - so I have at least 12" of space to move the firewall without seriously impacting the passenger compartment.... of course longitudinal space doesn't translate into girth
                          Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; October 26, 2011, 02:52 PM.
                          Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                          • Bob Holmes
                            Legendary BangShifter
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 3549

                            #208
                            If a single will mount better, why not?
                            I'm still learning

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                            • SuperBuickGuy
                              No Life Outside BangShift.com
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 32245

                              #209
                              Originally posted by Bob Holmes View Post
                              If a single will mount better, why not?
                              because I already have the two? and one is in position?
                              I refuse to end up stopping myself by second guessing - this has happened to me before, where I have the stuff to do what I originally planned; then I come up with a great idea... which, of course, stops progress - then I get onto another project.... so yep, would be better to mount a single turbo in the back.... and I'm certain it'd be better.... however, I'm either too stupid or too pigheaded to go there


                              This is the tough side to get stuff mounted - so I'm starting here... maybe even drop the motor back in the car before I do the other side... dunno as a reminder - here's what the motor looks like in the car


                              plenty of clearance here for elbows


                              and a straightish shot to the side-dump pipes (someone mentioned that the turbos are sufficient mufflers - that will be my first test


                              I should get the other side mocked in place tomorrow night - I don't know where my metric bolt bin went (well, I do but I won't dwell on why a kid with a Studebaker needs metric bolts)
                              Last edited by SuperBuickGuy; October 26, 2011, 08:27 PM.
                              Doing it all wrong since 1966

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                              • Bob Holmes
                                Legendary BangShifter
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 3549

                                #210
                                Handicapped by just looking at pictures, I still think you have plenty of room above the spring/shock towers. If it were me, I'd put the engine back in its proposed resting place and fit from there.

                                Let me just state unequivically right now, I was not the person who mentioned that the turbos are sufficent mufflers. Maybe my ears are getting old.
                                I'm still learning

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