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  • JOES66FURY
    Deputy Director Procrastination & Incompetence Dept.
    • Jun 2009
    • 12184

    #1

    Built a Hot Rod in 5 Hours! Or Meet Project Pitbull

    Last Christmas my mini-me got a Doodlebug mini-bike. He rode it quite a bit but 97 cc's and 2.5 hp can only be so much fun for so long.

    So whats a guy to do? If you asked that question do not read any further, you don't belong here, Nancy.

    "Santa" brought a 212 cc Predator engine from Harbor Freight. This engine has been stuffed between the frame rails of mini-bikes for a number of years now and the reviews are all positive. "Santa" being the frugal type waited for Harbor Freight to put out a coupon book with a ticket for a 212 Predator for a whopping $99 bucks, just in case any of you following along at home get the urge to build one of these monsters.

    Here is the mandatory "before" shot with the anorexic 97 cc turd.


    Just a shot of the empty engine bay that is moments away from being stuffed full of 212 cc's and 6 hp of fire breathing fury.


    What you see here is an adapter purchased from http://www.hotrodminibike.com. These guys make all manner of hop up parts for you mini-bike to include full on "stage" kits. "Santa" being on a bit of a budget due the recession decided to just order the adapter plate. This item allows for easy installation with minimal effort on your part. I also got a new chain as the "mini-bike" forums said the stock one is too short.



    Once the plate is in position you drill four 5/16th holes at the rear of the adjustment slots as seen here.


    There are 8 bolts, 4 attach the plate to the frame and allow fore and aft adjustment of the plate. The other 4 attach the engine to the plate to and allow port and starboard adjustment of the engine.





    Out with the old and in with the new. The difference in size is obvious even from a low earth orbit. The new engine is massive in comparison.



    Everything was going smoothly until we ran into some clearance issues.



    A little gentle persuasion with a BFH and some strategically placed cargo straps allowed me to drop the eingine right into place.



    After a quick start and static ops check I realized I forgot the retaining bolt for the new performance clutch. (purchased form Amazon) it became apparent that I forgot the nut when the clutch quickly detached itself from the crank shaft. After 3 trips to the hardware store to get the right bolt, we were up and running. **If you decide to do a transplant like this the Predator requires a 5/16 X 24 bolt on the crank shaft. This is odd because the rest of the engine is metric. Had I been smart enough to Google the size requirement on the first trip I would have only made one. oh well...I had to make spacers to keep the end play of the clutch to a minimum as seen here.



    And here is the new engine shoehorned into place.





    One thing that becomes obvious is the engine offset. The new one sits quite a bit to the right once the chain is aligned. It doesn't seem to make much of a difference in balance wen you ride it but it does make putting your right foot on the foot peg a little harder.


    The amount of power the Predator makes over the stock Baja engine is amazing. Part throttle has this thing cooking faster that the stock one at WOT. I've adjusted the throttle stop but left the governor in place. I will eliminate it later once the boy gets used to the power this one makes. I ave him a pre-flight briefing and ensured he understood that this thing makes more power than the old one and to go easy on the throttle at first. He hopped on, gave it a little gas and it scared the crap out of him. After a few runs up and down the street he was running it WOT and grinning ear to ear.




    Last edited by JOES66FURY; December 26, 2014, 06:12 PM.
    If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower. - Mark Donohue
  • JOES66FURY
    Deputy Director Procrastination & Incompetence Dept.
    • Jun 2009
    • 12184

    #2
    This install was simple, and only took a few hours with a 10 year old helping. The engine was 130 with a 1 year warranty, the adapter was 40 bucks, the clutch was 20 and the chain was 15. everything was sourced from Amazon or Hot Rod Mini Bikes...this is all you must have to make this swap work, there are other fancy items you can get but to simply get it working...that's it.

    Last edited by JOES66FURY; December 26, 2014, 06:21 PM.
    If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower. - Mark Donohue

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    • SuperBuickGuy
      No Life Outside BangShift.com
      • Jan 2008
      • 32010

      #3
      Doubling the size of motor in a motorcycle frame? whoddathunkit?
      Doing it all wrong since 1966

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      • Admirall2
        Hero BangShifter
        • Oct 2012
        • 272

        #4
        This is full of win topped with awesomesauce!

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        • redneckjoe69
          Superhero BangShifter
          • Dec 2010
          • 739

          #5
          thats awesome! great father-son tiime too i'm sure.
          we're thinking about buying a very similar minibike from sears for our 7 yr old g-daughter.
          i've been "eyeing" the harbor freight engines already, lol.

          is a custom pipe in the works yet?

          its great to see them smile ear to ear.

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          • JOES66FURY
            Deputy Director Procrastination & Incompetence Dept.
            • Jun 2009
            • 12184

            #6
            I could buy a pipe but I think I may make one...wrap it in header tape and call it good...I had to order a new trigger for my welder so it will be a bit.

            Once he rode it you could not wipe the smile off his face with a belt sander...
            If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower. - Mark Donohue

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            • TheSilverBuick
              ALMOST Spidey !
              • Nov 2007
              • 22145

              #7
              After seeing Chad roam around Bonneville on one , I want one, and I want one with a bigger engine installed too
              Escaped on a technicality.

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              • JOES66FURY
                Deputy Director Procrastination & Incompetence Dept.
                • Jun 2009
                • 12184

                #8


                This thing cooks even with my big ass on it.

                Tomorrow we are going to make a chain guard out of some thin stainless I have in the garage. The fancy one from the company I listed is 40 bucks. i think I can make it with scrap on hand for free. We'll see. I am going to hit up the swap meet in the morning and when we get home we'll get busy.

                If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower. - Mark Donohue

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                • G-Motive
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 1021

                  #9
                  I'm seeing a resemblance between your son and that guy Eric aka "The Mad Scientist" on The Car Chasers.

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                  • tedly
                    Legendary BangShifter
                    • May 2009
                    • 8046

                    #10
                    Very cool, Joe! I wonder if they make different gears for those?
                    I'm probably wrong

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                    • JOES66FURY
                      Deputy Director Procrastination & Incompetence Dept.
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 12184

                      #11
                      there are so many aftermarket parts for this engine it boggles the mind. There are carbs, intakes, air cleaners, cams, custom valve springs, billet connecting rods, fly wheels, high compression pistons....the list goes on
                      If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower. - Mark Donohue

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                      • DanStokes
                        Ancient LSR Guy
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 28429

                        #12
                        I'm guessing he'll run out of chassis before he runs out of engine. I'm thinking his next step should be a vintage Hodaka.

                        Dan

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                        • redneckjoe69
                          Superhero BangShifter
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 739

                          #13
                          when my kids had go-carts & mini-bikes they used the briggs & straton 5HP's. i found out that they have an "industrial" version that uses ball bearings for the crankshaft. remove the governer and they rev to the moon!
                          we put a 6.5HP, OHV engine on one cart and it slowed down. it had great low end torque but wouldnt top out as good.

                          if you build a pipe, bring a strap back to a head bolt, or it will usually vibrate bad and come loose.

                          i'm cheap, instead of buying custom pistons, i pulled the head and filled it full of TIG weld. i GUARANTEE you'll notice a big difference with the bump in compression.

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                          • G-Motive
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2014
                            • 1021

                            #14
                            Originally posted by JOES66FURY View Post


                            This thing cooks even with my big ass on it.

                            Tomorrow we are going to make a chain guard out of some thin stainless I have in the garage. The fancy one from the company I listed is 40 bucks. i think I can make it with scrap on hand for free. We'll see. I am going to hit up the swap meet in the morning and when we get home we'll get busy.
                            I probably still have scares on my ankle from the clutch eating it when I was kid....seriously.

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                            • G-Motive
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2014
                              • 1021

                              #15
                              My bell-bottoms had a bad habit of getting sucked into the clutch.

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