62 Falcon - $5k challenge, how will it rise from the ranger's ashes?

[SuperBuickGuy]

when you pull the wiring, attach some wire to the end of the harness - so when you pull the new wire through, you can use the bailing wire you attached to the old wire to help it move through the column

I had all sorts of headaches with the C3 because the intake gaskets were leaking.... I'm pretty sure that the leak was cause by backfiring....

[1trickpony]

Is there a plate the goes between the motor and trans on an automatic. I know mine has one with the t5. Where the starter hole is you can see its been pinched pretty bad and I think that is what caused my starter to take my flywheel out. Just a thought. I don't know the automatics very well

[milner351]

Yes - there is a plate between trans case and engine on an auto, it's in there.

It's interesting - I've never had a starter issue until recently - both with 302/aod, Marco's wagon set up was fixed using the washer trick.

I'm concerned that my simple wiring job of running a jumper wire from the large stud on the starter to the "trigger" terminal on the starter solenoid might be causing the issue.... instead of running the trigger wire all the way back to the solenoid in the trunk.

[Beagle]

Try a large paperclip (or two) between the starter where the bolts go through and the trans plate? Same as a washer, just thinner and easier to take out if that's not what it is. How hard is the starter to get to with the headers in place?

[Bob Holmes]

Yes - there is a plate between trans case and engine on an auto, it's in there.

It's interesting - I've never had a starter issue until recently - both with 302/aod, Marco's wagon set up was fixed using the washer trick.

I'm concerned that my simple wiring job of running a jumper wire from the large stud on the starter to the "trigger" terminal on the starter solenoid might be causing the issue.... instead of running the trigger wire all the way back to the solenoid in the trunk.

I was just going to ask if you had wired it that way. That is known to cause the issue, and I am having the same issue on the Red Furd. I'll be rewiring to fix it.

[milner351]

Ok - so - this gives me the opportunity to go back and do it right. From the "S" terminal on the trunk mounted solenoid, through the neutral safety switch - to the starter solenoid.... correct?

[STINEY]

This is awesome. I know you didn't make the goal, but man, you sure got it down the field. Nice work.

[SuperBuickGuy]

I was just going to ask if you had wired it that way. That is known to cause the issue, and I am having the same issue on the Red Furd. I'll be rewiring to fix it.

That's a red herring.... the issue is with the starter switch itself. Been there, done that, saw the movie, own the rights to the t-shirt.

[Bob Holmes]

So you're admitting that you've worked on Fords. Chink in the armor.

[SuperBuickGuy]

So you're admitting that you've worked on Fords. Chink in the armor.

actually, several. I gained my hatred of them through experience with them....

[milner351]

So can we get agreement on the best way to wire this before I go and have to re-do it a third time?

Every brand has it's flaws, it's fans, and it's haters.

[SuperBuickGuy]

So can we get agreement on the best way to wire this before I go and have to re-do it a third time?

Every brand has it's flaws, it's fans, and it's haters.

agreement... ummm... back to the switch, it's new?

and I'm confused.... why did you hotwire the solenoid? (jumper between the large/small lug)

[milner351]

battery in trunk
new solenoid in trunk - wired so 1 ga wire from solenoid to starter is only hot during cranking, and entire car is shut down with kill switch at back of car (behind bumper)
Ignition switch in dash (new)

With the gear reduction style starters - there is a wiring change where the trigger wire for the solenoid is common with the starter cable, that's why I ran the jumper wire at the starter.

In it's current configuration - the neutral safety switch is not wired in - SO - my proposal is to run a wire from the solenoid in the trunk, through the neutral safety switch, to the trigger terminal on the starter - 14 gauge would probably suffice, it's only a signal wire.

[STINEY]

I'm trying to follow this.....so you have 2 disconnects in the starter circuit? One in the large cable (remote solenoid in trunk) and then when it is energized, the second disconnect is in the solenoid on the starter? If that is indeed the case I'd do away with the solenoid on the starter thing, but I subscribe to the KISS theory. I'm thinking when you jump the starter you are also backfeeding the solenoid in the trunk, which stays on from the backfeed and then reverse-backfeeds the solenoid on the starter. Clear as mud?

[SuperBuickGuy]

yeah, that works.... Though, were it me, that starter solenoid would be in the engine compartment to shorten all the relevant runs - that said, I wouldn't change it.



... and you're sure your starter gear is properly spaced from the ring gear?