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  • milner351
    No Life Outside BangShift.com
    • Nov 2007
    • 16033

    #1

    Another generation of new oil is coming

    Automakers switch to new engine oil
    for more efficiency, better protection
    By Brad Constant / AutoWeek / October 18, 2010

    Automakers are going to great lengths to get more miles per gallon from their vehicles and everything is being looked at, even the engine oil.

    Every 2011 General Motors car rolls off the assembly line with the engine filled with a new generation of oil. Other automakers, such as Ford Motor Co. and the Chrysler Group, are also beginning the switch to new oil, known by its industry grading as GF-5 or SN, or, in GM?s case, Dexos1.

    The grade identifies oil that?s designed to help engines run more efficiently and better protect them from wear. Those are key properties as automakers wring more horsepower out of smaller engines and make greater use of heat-producing turbochargers and superchargers.

    The protection properties of the new oil also have the potential environmental benefit of increasing the mileage interval between recommended oil changes.

    What is not clear yet is just how much more the new oil will cost.

    Tests make the difference

    The Dexos1 and GF-5 oils hit the market on October 1. They replace the GF-4 standard from the International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee, which has members from GM, Ford, Chrysler, and the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association. The American Petroleum Institute uses the SN designation for the new oil.

    ?GF-5 and Dexos1 oils have a more robust formulation that should give you better contributions to fuel economy, cleanliness and fuel emissions,? said Mark Ferner, manager of the lubricants technology group at Shell.

    The main difference between Dexos1, which is a GM-licensed brand, and GF-5 oils is testing, Ferner said.

    To be certified as GF-5, the oil needs to pass a variety of chemistry and engine tests set by the American Petroleum Institute.

    But GM?s testing for Dexos1 uses some tests mandated by the ACEA, the European automobile manufacturers association, in place of the American Petroleum Institute tests. For example, Dexos1 oil has to pass Mercedes-Benz?s sludge and fuel-economy tests and Opel?s test for the ability to work under foaming conditions, known as aeration.

    GF-5-certified oils that do not undergo the same tests are subjected to the American Petroleum Institute?s equivalent to be certified.

    GF-5 oil can be found in both conventional and synthetic formulations but Dexos1 can only be found as a synthetic, according to Shell, maker of the Pennzoil and Quaker State brands.

    In some cases, oil companies already have formulas that meet or exceed the Dexos1 and GF-5 specifications. For example, Shell?s Pennzoil Platinum and Quaker State Ultimate Durability synthetics exceed both standards.

    Driven by tighter regulations

    Government regulations that call for lower exhaust emissions and higher fuel economy are the drivers behind the new generation of engine oil.

    GM?s powertrain fuel and lubrication engineers began working on Dexos1 in 2006. The goal was to set an oil specification that met the requirements of all GM vehicles and powertrains globally.

    GM also developed the Dexos2 oil specification for light-duty diesel engines. It was launched in Europe earlier this year.

    Dexos1 is designed to work with the engine-oil-life monitor in GM cars to increase the mileage between oil changes.

    ?Dexos puts us in a position to try and optimize the drain intervals,? said Eric Johnson, a GM fuel and lubrication engineer who worked on the development of Dexos.

    GM does not specify a mileage life for Dexos1. It recommends that drivers change the engine oil when the oil-monitor system recommends, as oil life depends on driving conditions.

    However, Ford says it?s possible to go as long as 10,000 miles between oil changes with GF-5 oil. This is possible because Ford has made major improvements in the materials and technologies it uses in its engines, a spokesman said.

    Among the changes: greater use of aluminum for engine structural components and increasing the size of oil pans. Ford also uses an oil-life-monitoring system, which tells owners when it?s time for an oil change.

    ?We have made improvements to our engines and want to use the best oil we can,? spokesman Richard Truett said.

    Good for new and old cars

    Dexos1 and GF-5 oils can be used in older cars. Owners still need to consult their owner?s manual to choose oil with the recommended viscosity.

    Consumers will find some bottles of oil with both the Dexos1 and GF-5 certification, said Ferner of Shell. He added that consumers will not notice an immediate difference after changing to a Dexos1 or GF-5 oil. Instead, the benefits are oil that better protects and cleans the engine over time.

    But beware if you?re tempted to use conventional oil in an engine that calls for the new specification. GM says not using Dexos1 oil may cause engine damage that would void the powertrain warranty.

    Go to www.GMDexos.com for more information on GM?s Dexos oils, and see www.gf-5.com for information on GR-5 oil.
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  • Monster
    Administrator
    • Nov 2007
    • 25705

    #2
    Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

    Originally posted by milner351
    Good for new and old cars
    Yeah, that's what they said when they removed Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate (ZDDP) from motor oils too.
    :P

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    • SuperBuickGuy
      No Life Outside BangShift.com
      • Jan 2008
      • 32252

      #3
      Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

      sounds like synthetic oil....
      as for the 10k oil change - my H3 has the oil monitoring system.. and it would be roughly 10k between oil changes if I followed it, however, I view it as a "must change by" system - and change mine at roughly 75% of max
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      • milner351
        No Life Outside BangShift.com
        • Nov 2007
        • 16033

        #4
        Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

        I wonder how much more expensive this stuff is going to be.
        There's always something new to learn.

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        • STINEY
          Dirt Path Taker
          • Dec 2007
          • 8613

          #5
          Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

          Originally posted by Buickguy
          sounds like synthetic oil....
          as for the 10k oil change - my H3 has the oil monitoring system.. and it would be roughly 10k between oil changes if I followed it, however, I view it as a "must change by" system - and change mine at roughly 75% of max
          I've wondered about that on my "new" '06 3500 Chevy Van, I've put 3800 miles on it since buying it this summer, and waiting for a light to come on to tell me to change the oil goes against everything I've ever learned..... makes me VERY nervous....



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          • TheSilverBuick
            ALMOST Spidey !
            • Nov 2007
            • 22145

            #6
            Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

            Originally posted by STINEY
            Originally posted by Buickguy
            sounds like synthetic oil....
            as for the 10k oil change - my H3 has the oil monitoring system.. and it would be roughly 10k between oil changes if I followed it, however, I view it as a "must change by" system - and change mine at roughly 75% of max
            I've wondered about that on my "new" '06 3500 Chevy Van, I've put 3800 miles on it since buying it this summer, and waiting for a light to come on to tell me to change the oil goes against everything I've ever learned..... makes me VERY nervous....
            One thing to take note of that they don't seem to mention is, MAKE SURE TO CHECK YOUR OIL LEVEL REGULARLY! The engines will still consume oil as it by-passes the rings in that time. As rebeldryver mentioned, it's not uncommon for an engine that idles a lot to consume a quart every 1,000 miles (spec. in our F-250 owners manual iirc), so it's easier to run it out of oil just waiting for the light to come on. Of course not all operating conditions or engines consume oil at the same rate, so your mileage may vary :P
            Escaped on a technicality.

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            • milner351
              No Life Outside BangShift.com
              • Nov 2007
              • 16033

              #7
              Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

              Stiney - peace of mind is worth something isn't it? When in doubt change the oil once a year - maybe every spring before towing season starts?

              Do most of these vehicles with oil "life" sensors also have oil "level" sensors?

              Yea - no matter how fancy the sensors are - they don't take the place of checking the oil regularly!
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              • squirrel
                Benevolent Ruler of the Universe
                • Nov 2007
                • 19334

                #8
                Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

                I don't think the oil life thing uses a sensor, it's just a calculation based on time, miles, estimated load, stuff like that.

                Most newer vehicles do have an oil level sensor. And a low oil pressure idiot light, even if there's a gage. Older cars don't



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                • chevy3100
                  Hero BangShifter
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 287

                  #9
                  Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

                  The oil life system goes on the milage, usage of vehicle (speed & load), and I'm sure some other factors. My 09 Silverado goes between 6,000 & 11,000 miles between oil changes (I go off the oil system recommendation).

                  It seems scary, but with my last ride (Cadillac CTS) I always went about 7500miles between oil changes based on the oil life system and when I sold that car it had 185,000miles on it (275,000kms) and it still would only go down by 1/2L or less between oil changes...

                  I do think that changing the oil at 3000 miles on most new cars is not required. I figure I'll go by the manufacturers recommendations as they are warrantying the driveline to 160,000kms anyhow & cannot complain about the oil change intervals if following the manufacturers recomendations.

                  at the end of the day - check the level frequently & you probably won't have problems

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                  • bnjny
                    Superhero BangShifter
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 895

                    #10
                    Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

                    Some what old news... Dexos I feel, is just another round of BS from GM. I think most oils will meet this 'standard'. but few maybe allowed to say it...

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                    • squirrel
                      Benevolent Ruler of the Universe
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 19334

                      #11
                      Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

                      Now why would GM do something like that?

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                      • SuperBuickGuy
                        No Life Outside BangShift.com
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 32252

                        #12
                        Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

                        it's not uncommon for a manufacturer to demand a minimum level of additives.... I think GM is really just giving themselves another profit center.... there would be hell to pay if they were to refuse a claim based upon the defense that the oil used was better then what they recommended.

                        interestingly, GM sent me a "loyal customer" email offering me free oil changes for the next year.... I won't take them up on it because I use synth oil; and they'll use regular oil (the "recommendation") Of course, I also recognize that that becomes a twofold benefit to them - 1, it is great customer service and 2, when the car is in the shop they can "check" brakes, hoses, belts, etc and get a nice profit from the replacement of those items.... and I have no problem with this because they're supposed to make money - it's what they do.
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                        • squirrel
                          Benevolent Ruler of the Universe
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 19334

                          #13
                          Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

                          I have no problem with them making money...from someone besides me
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                          • daved931
                            Superhero BangShifter
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 539

                            #14
                            Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

                            I think you should still do the first oil change at 3000 miles, but going 7500 miles for every change is perfectly acceptable. Especially if you use Mobil 1 and a good filter.

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                            • BBR
                              Chief Do'er
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 11715

                              #15
                              Re: Another generation of new oil is coming

                              Dexos1..... Dexcool for your crankcase

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