Rules 2012-2014

[38P]

If you did allow turbos, they would have to be 'period correct' turbos since turbo technology has really advanced since then. I think the 'roots only' rule is fine.

And Roots technology hasn't?

A better and easier way to regulate turbos is by limiting the inlet size.

[38P]

No intercoolers in Match Bash

No Iced intercoolers, only air to air in Street Race

But Bud Faubel had air-water back in 1965! Ano Domini Nineteen Hundred and Sixty-Five! Freiburger probably wasn't even born then!

Certainly non-charge air cooled turbos are better than nothing in Match Bash . . . but if it's really a vintage class, why not allow what actual racers in the 1960s were allowed?

The Match Bash class was very thin in 2011, so opening up the rules to the mid-60s wouldn't seem to affect very many participants.

[squirrel]

Not many cars, why muck it up by letting in cars that don't fit the spirit of the class? I still think it should be a gasser class, pre 64, the "match bash" name is kinda lame to a lot of us.

[JeffMcKC]

But Bud Faubel had air-water back in 1965! Ano Domini Nineteen Hundred and Sixty-Five! Freiburger probably wasn't even born then!

Certainly non-charge air cooled turbos are better than nothing in Match Bash . . . but if it's really a vintage class, why not allow what actual racers in the 1960s were allowed?

The Match Bash class was very thin in 2011, so opening up the rules to the mid-60s wouldn't seem to affect very many participants.

UUUMMMM Lets try to keep the Class under control, I geuss you could drive PureHell on Drag Week Too, but it wont pass tech for those speeds and stay with the "Look" the Class should have. Lets stay with the 99% rule ok. Or we will have a book the size of the Tax Code to deal with.

The Match Class will Grow with out getting all Crazy. I think David knows what he wants the Class to represent.

[CDMBill]

With the proposed rules and rules stability I suspect we'll see a substantial drop in winning ET's for Match Bash (formerly AF/X gasser) just like we've seen in all the other classes.

[38P]

Doesn't fit the spirit of the class? Really?

Not many cars, why muck it up by letting in cars that don't fit the spirit of the class? I still think it should be a gasser class, pre 64, the "match bash" name is kinda lame to a lot of us.

Considering that the 1965 MoPar A/FX cars were the cars that really kickstarted the brief altered wheelbase era (notwithstanding "slingshot" comp coupes), a pre-64 cutoff doesn't make much sense.

[38P]

UUUMMMM Lets try to keep the Class under control, I geuss you could drive PureHell on Drag Week Too, but it wont pass tech for those speeds and stay with the "Look" the Class should have. Lets stay with the 99% rule ok. Or we will have a book the size of the Tax Code to deal with.

The Match Class will Grow with out getting all Crazy. I think David knows what he wants the Class to represent.

I guess "the tribe has spoken." A vintage class that's not really accurately vintage . . . . Rules that are MORE restrictive than what the original cars ran under in the '60s. Just blindly trust DF because he omnipotently and infallibly "knows what he wants the Class to represent."

Perhaps the best protest would be to follow what Petty Engineering did when Bill France banned the Gen II HEMI: paint "Outlawed" on the sides of a REJECTED turbo gasser or A/FX, sandbag with it in daily driver (making sure to "accidentally" card at least one "breakout" pass at each track . . . hopefully lined up against the Match Bash leader) and then post the "breakout" time slips to show up the handful of "sanitized" Match Bashers. Too bad it probably won't happen.

Finally, the fuel altered analogy doesn't work. They're not doorslammers and wouldn't otherwise be class legal.

[BBR]

IJust blindly trust DF because he omnipotently and infallibly "knows what he wants the Class to represent."

Well it is his event, after all. It's like any event. If you don't like the rules, then don't come.

[Bamfster]

Well it is his event, after all. It's like any event. If you don't like the rules, then don't come.

'nuff said!!!

[Stich496]

Well it is his event, after all. It's like any event. If you don't like the rules, then don't come.

not sticking up for speedy, but I think the office building still says hot hod
not d/f mag

[JeffMcKC]

I guess "the tribe has spoken." A vintage class that's not really accurately vintage . . . . Rules that are MORE restrictive than what the original cars ran under in the '60s. Just blindly trust DF because he omnipotently and infallibly "knows what he wants the Class to represent."

Perhaps the best protest would be to follow what Petty Engineering did when Bill France banned the Gen II HEMI: paint "Outlawed" on the sides of a REJECTED turbo gasser or A/FX, sandbag with it in daily driver (making sure to "accidentally" card at least one "breakout" pass at each track . . . hopefully lined up against the Match Bash leader) and then post the "breakout" time slips to show up the handful of "sanitized" Match Bashers. Too bad it probably won't happen.

Finally, the fuel altered analogy doesn't work. They're not doorslammers and wouldn't otherwise be class legal.

^ It works perfectly You are talking about a car thats not legal and so am I The Cars your Talking about if left period wont pass Tech without changing the whole cars Period Look.

Bring your Break Out racer and he ( David Or Turk) will just send you packing when you run under, we will wave as you drive into the Sunset.

I like to say its David's Sand Box and he lets us Play.

You Could start your own event nothing is stopping that, and deal with all the people that have a better idea and want to do nothing but pick at stuff they have no intent in even doing.

Maybe you could pick out Mr. Hot Rod and show him to me ( I think they will take you to David) , funny the other guy who wants to sit back and pick at the 1% and will never be there whit what he is picking about just showed up

[squirrel]

There are plenty of classes already for the turbo cars to play in.....

[38P]

No, it's not "[H]is event."

Technically, the event is property of Source Interlink (which will likely be rolling on in some form or another long after one certain sandal-clad, Corona-swilling, hose-clamp-rat-rodding, "Click-Clack-Kodak" scribe has cashed out (again)).

I was merely pointing out the irony in Hot Rod soliciting discussion on the future DW rules . . . rules which IGNORE THE HISTORY of the very racing classes they're trying to ape with Match Bash . . . and then the defenders and protectors of the apparently sacred status quo collapsing down to Freiburger said it; that settles it!

What would be the point of any rules discussion if the Bill France of Bangshifting already had all the answers? Hmmm?

The folks who have run a business already know the answer to this. Notwithstanding DF's prodigious talent as a journalist and opinion leader (not to mention his talent for shameless self-promotion), successful businesses listen to their customers and potential customers.

I do think we can take away the following points:

1. It's highly unlikely that anyone will be towing a proper camping trailer with full headroom on DW anytime soon (have fun with the teardrops).

2. Turbo hatred continues unabated, notwithstanding their "place" in '60s gasser history. (Of course, our patron saint did once proclaim in CC "Turbos are for diesels.")

3. There is no shortage of Bangshifters who venerate DF.

Don't get me wrong. DF and "His" creation DW are both great for the sport. But neither have achieved metaphysical perfection.

[squirrel]

wow....so, let's see some pics of the turbo match bash car you're building.

You've already seen pics of the pos I have that I'm seriously considering turning into a "gasser" with a spring and wheel swap.

[38P]

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Bring your Break Out racer and he ( David Or Turk) will just send you packing when you run under, we will wave as you drive into the Sunset.

Really? The way I read the rules is that a timeslip in DD that quicker than 10.80 won't be accepted. I didn't see anything about disqualification for running quicker than 10.80. Thus, one theoretically would be able to run up to the limit of their safety equipment on any passes they are not submitting as "official." Obviously, that would not be the case during the bracket race finale.

That being said, I seriously doubt anyone would go to the effort of a protest run.