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Unhinged: Thinking About Buying A Cheap Classic Beater To Fix Up For A Driver? Here’s What You Might Be Getting Into!


Unhinged: Thinking About Buying A Cheap Classic Beater To Fix Up For A Driver? Here’s What You Might Be Getting Into!

“They don’t make cars like they used to.” Yeah, ain’t that the truth. Growing up, I heard that crap every time I went to brag about my 1979 Cutlass, or my 1987 Monte Carlo, usually from someone at least fifteen years older than I was who could remember the “good old days” when cars had enough torque to slow down the planet, enough style to make the opposite sex weak in the knees and enough substance to reduce my modern-day pile of crap to nothing. Except, I never truly bought on to the idea. Sure, there are some awesome vehicles in the past that I’d love to call my own. But could I afford to own them? Hell. No. It wasn’t that I couldn’t buy into one, but repairing it to be a respectable daily driver that wasn’t flying under the radar of the cop looking to write a fix-it ticket would be cost-prohibitive, and while I agree that working on your own car is a great way to learn to not only understand your vehicle but to make you a more responsible driver overall, that policy tends to backfire pretty hard when you’re engineering a temp fix three times a week.

“But that builds character!” Stuff it, and stuff it far. I’ve done this route more times than I care to count, and if you want a beginning to end account of what it looks like for someone starting out with cars to start with a beater, might I suggest searching “Mirada” in the forums. You’ll find a particular 1981 example of Dodge’s forgotten coupe that I bought for $600, spent plenty of money on and last saw sitting on blocks in a Prescott Valley, Arizona junkyard, days away from the crusher. If you have the money, time, and ability to fix up a beater, then more power to you. But if you’re a teen or younger adult just starting out and you’ve gotten bitten by the bug to start a project, allow us to show you just what you’re getting yourself into going for a cheap classic instead of finding a cheap late-model muscle car instead that might suit you better. For our example, I dug up this 1972 Chevrolet Camaro Rally Sport off of eBay. At the time of writing, the bidding was sitting at $2600 plus, and I’ll all but guarantee that price will be much higher when you read this. Not exactly cheap, but it is a legit split bumper Camaro, and it is a running, driving car. It’s rough, but with a little love and care, you can make this into a respectable driver…right? Let’s take a look:

beater 3At first glance, this 1972 Camaro RS looks like a score. The paint looks stock, once you gloss over where sanding and priming has occurred, and it doesn’t appear to be totally trashed out. The car is coming out of Fort Collins, Colorado, which is between Denver and the Colorado/Wyoming border. It’s location is a mixed bag…you have plains and you have the Rockies, which means snow…which means salt. Mismatched mid-70s Rally wheels and shotgun mags don’t make for an appealing combination, and tires should always be checked on a used car with a budget ready, in case they need to be replaced. We will simply assume for now that they are safe and you can get in the car and drive away.beater 2Don’t expect perfection. This isn’t the straightest Camaro we’ve seen, but it is nowhere near the worst. A walk around will reveal where to start. At $60/wheel, we’d simply get brand new mags like on the back to complete the look. They’re steel and will hold up at least long enough to afford something better. Missing trim isn’t a necessity, so no worries on the “Rally Sport” script. The hole in the front fender and at the front of the rear quarter panel will have to be dealt with, and that does not mean “pack it full of Bondo until it’s filled”. If you are lucky, there isn’t much rust to cut out and you can patch in some fresh metal.beater 11Look for serious problems. The area around the windshield and back glass looks good, which is a plus. What is worrisome is the driver’s side. We will focus on the bigger issue in a second, but take note of the spot above the driver’s side window. It is difficult to tell in the photos whether that is surface rust or something deeper. Surface rust can be dealt with. Something deeper and you might want to think twice. Also note, once again, the interior…the dash cap is fully warped and while covering it up will put the problem out of sight, sooner or later you will want to deal with that. Knowing that this Camaro lived in the shadow of the Rocky Mountains, we would want to see the underside of the car for any subframe issues.beater 7Go for a car with decent running gear if you are looking for a driver. Underhood is probably the brightest side of acquiring a Camaro like this: the small-block Chevrolet. With luck, this is a 350. It certainly isn’t the 396 that was still available, it isn’t the 250 I-6, and if that is a 307ci V8 sitting there…well, I’d be back in the classifieds if it were me. But if it runs and drives, and the transmission (an automatic, in this case) isn’t halfway shot, then you should be solid in the drivetrain department. I’ve seen Chevrolet trucks so rusted that you could see from one end of the truck through to the other, but driving them was still a joy because of the running gear. It won’t be a fire-breather and probably needs some maintenance and love, but every used car will need some attention under hood. If the engine is one foot in the grave, this will be nothing but a wallet-draining heartache for you.

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Don’t sweat small stuff. This RS model doesn’t appear to be a vinyl top car, and what’s underneath the chrome isn’t scaring us off. That interior, however, has definitely seen better days. A package tray of some kind would be high on the agenda. That could be home-made using some basic materials to get by until the funds are available to restore the car, so again, not that big of a deal. A few cans of rust proofer, on the other hand, might not be a bad idea.beater 8

Remember where you will be sitting. It is one thing for the outside of the car to look like hell. But if the interior is disgusting, you will never, ever want to drive the car, and brother, this one is bad. Expect to spend the better part of a day detailing, disinfecting and scrubbing the interior. We would be ditching the seats in half a second for anything else that would bolt in. Radio is gone, but surprisingly, the dash isn’t carved out. Before that temptation strikes, we’d look in a restoration catalog for one that fits the “two dial” setup and looks stock-ish, but has either a satellite radio connection or at least an auxiliary port. Sure, it will cost now, but I’ve yet to see a beater-in-progress where the stereo wasn’t fixed up and it will keep the character of the car intact. Honestly, the interior would be the first bit of attention this Camaro needs. Make sure there isn’t any holes in the floor and get to work.

beater 9Save where you can. Amazing how the rear seat in most second-generation F-bodies looks almost unused, isn’t it? Shame the plastics have just about had it, and if that is the factory carpet, good riddance. The backseat might be salvageable, and if the front seats aren’t as bad as the photos make them out to be, reskinning them might be more cost-effective than just replacing them.

beater 5 beater 10Determine the biggest repair needs. On our Camaro, the answer is pretty obvious in the pictures: the driver’s side rear quarter. On the bright side, a new quarter panel comes with the car, so you won’t be buying one, but the cost to replace it will stun you if you aren’t so inclined to do it yourself. You can add in shop equipment, body filler, and by this time, primer and paint, because if you’re going to the trouble of doing a quarter panel swap, you might as well prep the car and get it painted, so budget that in as well. If rust scares you, walk away now. If it doesn’t, expect your wallet to be a lot lighter for this part unless you know bodywork and welding…and given that auto shop got pulled out of most high schools about twenty years ago, we’re doubtful that a young adult has sufficient skills. You like Ramen, right? Remember that budget…any flex that goes to the car takes away from other fun stuff.

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Here’s our take: If you have the money saved up, have the time to screw with this, have a second car to drive while you’re working on it and have the patience to give this Camaro the work it needs to come back to live, by all means, go for it..this 1972 would make for a killer project and be a sweet ride when done. But don’t just buy the car because it’s a split bumper and expect to be daily driving the thing. Without touching on the electrical system or the suspension, or any other surprises that await you, we can tell you with certainty that as a daily driver, in it’s current state, that this Camaro will be miserable. That interior alone would kill it for us. Sure, the body shape is sexy and the prices are only going to keep climbing the older they get. But the old saying sits here: buyer beware. Bringing this Camaro up to a decent standard will set you back several thousand dollars, for paint, bodywork, and interior restoration alone. By that point, you might as well do a visual restoration, and we haven’t started hot-rodding the engine yet. Do you have several thousand dollars to spend on one car that you won’t be able to drive for a while, or do you have a couple thousand dollars and need a car that will get the job done everyday?

 


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15 thoughts on “Unhinged: Thinking About Buying A Cheap Classic Beater To Fix Up For A Driver? Here’s What You Might Be Getting Into!

  1. orange65

    Ebay, Craigslist, and garages across America are full of projects that people buy with great intentions and dreams only to find the cruel reality is that bringing a car back to life requires money and time. Both are typically overlooked and underestimated by the buyer. FYI- unless you have access to a shop with an assortment of automobile tools (not woodworking) , a lot of patience, and $$ (which can be inversely proportional to the amount of patience), it might be best to find something a little newer that does not require all that much work. Remember to multiply the amount of time and $ you think will be required by at least 3.

  2. Beagle

    done this – had a ratty loud ’72 El Camino that I could barely get across town in without getting pulled over. A couple of additional thoughts:

    a) Taxi fare and AA for when it breaks down. Old cars are old. They do break.
    b) Can you afford to be late to work? Lots of places these days show you to the door the second or third time you use the lame but legitimate car trouble excuse.

    The interior doesn’t bother me all that much. Clean it to where you don’t wear your car into work or take your work clothes with you in a garment bag. What does bother me about the interior is when your boss volunteers you to take people to lunch. Errrrrr…. uhhhhh…. no. Can’t do it. Legal hasn’t processed the release forms yet. Maybe not good for your career path.

    The biggest first concern I would have would be wiring. Getting pulled for an intermittent bulb sucks. So does “no start” from crappy wiring. I don’t know if I saw FIRE EXTINGUISHER in your list up there, but it would be on my list right after new tires on four matching 15″ wheels and a good tool kit. The next would be kitty litter.

    I’d start with something rust free enough to drive, otherwise, it’ll end up parked in body shop hell.

    Wiring
    Suspension/brakes – the average new shitbox ecoblaster can probably out stop even the best of the 70’s cars when they were new, much less approaching 45 years old.
    Be realistic about performance. Yeah, it’s a ’73 Camaro, but getting walked by a Hyundai would get mine parked and torn apart… then it’s not really a budget friendly beater any more.

    They don’t build them like they used to, and most people are saying “Thank God” as they get in their toaster and drive drama free to work.

    1. Beagle

      then again, we’re not most people… (he says as he drags an extension cord out to the beater)

      HA!

      There is a remote possibility that I’ll be returning to the work force soon and I’m going to have to address a lot of these issues since I DON’T really want another crappy late model to convey my carcass back and forth. We’ll see how long that lasts.

  3. Beagle

    oh yeah, and to see the A/C compressor still in place on that Camaro is SOOOO promising that I’d overlook the fender rust. 🙂

    The first thing that seems to happen to any beater with a SBC down here is the air conditioner compressor and brackets disappear so a Performer can be put on a stock cammed turd box. I’d be willing to bet that Camaro is relatively un-raped / stock, and that means a TON to me. I dislike the mystery repair discovery process where you spend tooooo much time trying to find the right parts to put it back together.

    1. BS

      I have to agree with the Ford man here. When looking at old cars I want to see the engine bay. To me that says more about a car’s health than anything. Missing A/C compressor, brackets, etc., Mickey Mouse wiring hanging all over, spliced here and there with wire that’s too small to carry the load, the promise of new belts, radiator hoses, and/or a new battery, usually accompanied by a new fuel pump, just makes me laugh. All those are to me is signs that the previous owner was throwing parts at it to get it to fire-up nearly every time without a great hassle just to say it runs instead of ran when parked.

  4. NOVA427SS

    I`m a collision guy by trade and a seasoned restorer to fill in the dry times(45 years of it). You can tell people it takes 250-300 man hours to restore a car and they never believe it til its too late and they`re buried in it. Trust me, unless your really handy you`re gonna spend 15K minimum.

    1. sbg

      200-300 hours? for a pro – sure, but you need to add the multiplier that Bryan said above – 2-3x more and I even think that’s a bit on the light side. If a pro shop takes a year of 2 guys – that’s 4000 hours – to build a car; then the multiple applied means 8000-12000 hours for the garage guy. What does that really mean? 10 years of nights and weekends. it’s why garage builders are held to such reverence…

      1. jerry z

        It’s hard in the photos to see how much body work is needed but 8-12K hrs? What are you building, a Ridler car? You can make that a decent car working on weekend in less than a year. Remember I said decent not perfect

  5. sbg

    I dunno, if the Camaro sought was in a state where it snows (more importantly where they salt the roads); I’d say “idiot.” On the other hand, if it were California, Texas, Arizona – then I’d be less mean in my name-calling.

  6. Chevy Hatin' Mad Geordie

    There would be more chance of getting into a cage full of sex-starved hyenas than soiling myself sitting in this sad hunka Chevy shite!

    Mind you after that I wouldn’t be sitting down for a VERY long time…

  7. Tyler Garrett

    Well, Colorado uses rocks on the road, not salt. In recent years they used MagChloride, but probably that car has never seen it. Rusty is not common there.

    1. c502cid

      You said it before I could type it. That car came from somewhere else. We just dont have the midwest salt rust issues…. now the magchloride issues…thats a whole ‘nother story!

  8. Daddy rabbit

    Well i went with the garage build and its “a thing” building a frame,steering relocate,moving the Fire wall,all floors,suspension by hand in the garage

    now the project your looking at here Ya that’s a car that you can buy every bit of from a catalog not that bad to do in the garage for street driving

  9. Casey

    While i agree from a logical standpoint (and based on lots and lots of experience in this exact area) that buying an old project car with the intention of driving it is often a labor of love and all your pizza delivery money till you graduate highschool will be swallowed up by it, isn’t that the price we pay for hotrodding? Looking back, yes, i would have been much better served by buying a ’90-something-honda-shitbox, but I wouldn’t have learned or loved the time spent on weekends or afternoons into the middle of the night before a school day. The old adage “Necessity is the mother of invention” is applicable here. For example, When you scatter your junkyard pulled Posi-track across the local 2 lanes of debauchery Friday night, and have to be at school and work on Monday to keep from being expelled or fired, you wind up becoming pretty good at setting pinion bearing backlash in your parents garage with dads tools at midnight. I made a lot of the dumb decisions you mentioned in this article, but if i had stuck with the cars my parents wanted me to buy when I was a kid, i’d probably be stuck in an amorphous blob of beige and four wheels, and no idea how to tune a carburetor. And that’s just not a life worth living.

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